User talk:Otherarrow

I may need this. Nice to have one handy. No offense to KyleH.--Otherarrow 18:28, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Section for my fiancee
You said to leave a message, script or no on my page. -hugs- You're mine. >:l The Tomato Fairy (talk) 19:40, April 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I am yours sweetie. -hugs-. It's at the top on your request. Because you are top for me always~--Otherarrow (talk) 19:49, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Original Welcome
Hi, welcome to Disgaea Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Girl Mage page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- KyleH (Talk) 10:36, 10 April 2009


 * Hi, I noticed you reverted my edit - I was thinking it might be nice to go into more details of the game mechanics - are you sure it's out of scope to try to do that? --Pgunn 22:08, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * At the current time, yes it is. Phantom Brave is currently only getting partial coverage, that is the article on the game itself and character pages for characters who have appeared in Disgaea titles.--Otherarrow 22:23, January 12, 2010 (UTC):*Ok. If it ever becomes kosher, I'm interested to flesh out the article into more of a guide. --Pgunn 23:04, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Organization
Hey, Otherarrow.

I guess I'm a bit confused as to organization of classes.... some pages are linking to main articles where classes are shared between Disgaea, others are linking to Disambiguation pages.

So I guess my question would be: are you looking to change all the class Disambiguation pages into main articles?

Thanks, Jamesbondkid2001 21:59, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just the main parent classes get parent pages. These parent pages list the main info on the class, any backstory the class has, and then very brief summaries of the class in each game, with links to the "subparent" page in that game. Any inconsistency is probably due to me not getting around to it yet. Although, it might be silly to give a parent page to a recurring tier like Rune Knight or something, but I am not sure what everyone else thinks about that. Hope that helped.--Otherarrow 22:04, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that helped a bit. No, I don't think each individual tier needs a parent page, because that would be giving us more work than we already have. So just the classes will do.


 * The question was more directed at the 'Thief' class, since I noticed it had only a disambiguation page, and not a parent page.


 * Thanks for the response,
 * Thanks for the response,


 * Jamesbondkid2001 00:41, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Image Comments
Hi there Otherarrow. Just thought I'd let you know about my methods for adding in comments for images on pages, namely for classes (most recently, my articles on the classes from Disgaea 3). The comments i add below the images are in fact quotes that the characters say when talked to in the classroom or when they do their actions (Example: The Thief says "Yay!", the Majin says "WEAKLINGS!", the Ranger says "GOTCHA!" and so on). I just wanted to clear up on confusion you had as to why i did that and to figure out if you would prefer i actually used the Character Quote template from now on. --SamuraiLloyd 01:14, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, for image captions, I only kept the ones that kinda made sense with the rest of the caption (like the Mage and the Thief), the rest seemed out of place (Although with some, the caption could be rephrased). If we can't fit it in somehow, the quote template would be better, I think. As for nongeneric comments in general, I am not sure fully on our position on those, but I have tried a few things (the gender confusion over Shaman, which later spread through the whole page, as well the aforementioned Thief and Mage pages)--Otherarrow 02:03, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahh ok, makes sense, thanks for clarifying that. I'll be sure to start work on adding in the caption template to the class i already made articles for as well as for the remainder of the classes i need to create articles for. --SamuraiLloyd 02:53, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

More Organization
New question for you, Otherarrow....

I was going to create the main page for the Female Warrior class.... only to realize that NONE of the three Disgaea games could sync up in their naming standards for this particular class.

Disgaea 1: Female Warrior

Disgaea 2: Lady Fighter

Disgaea 3: Female Fighter

So which one do you think should be created as the 'main' page for this particular class? I'm almost willing to go with 'Female Fighter', since both Disgaea 3 and Makai Kingdom had this name for the class, (and it would better fit with the main page with 'Male Fighters'), but I want to double-check with you before I continue on.

Thanks,

Jamesbondkid2001 21:57, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd say Female Fighter. Move any Lady Fighters to that as well. Not sure where that came from, although it isn't as odd as "Girl Mage" (why identify an all female class as female?)--Otherarrow 22:51, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Genesjs
Howdy! My name is Genesjs, AKA Gen, G and Phoenix the cat! I was wondering if we could become friends? :D Phoenix the Cat  The flames reborn....  19:43, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Guest Appearance of Tyrant Baal
Yo Otherarrow,

So I was playing this online flash game, Epic War 4, via Xgen Studios. Nothing special... until I happen to come across challenge #3 in this online flash game.

"Defeat Tyrant Lord Baal"

Here's the best part of it... the giant sword that he swings around is definitely reminiscent of the Gran Sword that Tyrant Baal from Disgaea is known to use and swing about. Plus he also fits the profile of Tyrant Baal (giant, scary monster easily 100 times stronger than most characters, etc.)

So would I include this nice little cameo in Tyrant Baal's page, perhaps in a section at the bottom titled something like 'Surprise Guest appearance' or something similiar?

Jamesbondkid2001 20:55, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it official? Or just a fangame shout out? If it's the latter, than no. Sorry.--Otherarrow 21:30, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding the blunder.....and....The Priere vid.
I appreciate that......Wasn't sure what would happen after the blunder, but I guess it's settled now.....I thought i'd add more info the the Makai pages at first, but that didn't work. So, I just created a Makai Kingdom Wiki yesterday....Gonna add some info over the weekend.....but the real reason for this message though, was to send you the link to that La Pucelle: Ragnarok vid I mentioned on the Priere Talk page, since you were asking for more Ragnarok details. I would've posted it there, but I wasn't sure if you'd see it or not.....It's all in Japanese, though.........According to the vid's description, the endings for the Overlord Campaign can be modified just like the main La Pucelle story. The ending in this vid seems to be the Bad one....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kjqx0ykGaU Klom09 05:02, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Disgaea 3 Classes.
Hey,I was wondering,how should the Disgaea 3 classes look like? I mean we got D1 and D2 but not D3. GigofDestruction 09:23, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think I understand what you mean. Could you elaborate?--Otherarrow 10:03, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Disgaea 3 classes have no template and info,did I explain well enough or not? GigofDestruction 11:33, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, we have a class template, it just isn't that good. At all. It's not in the same format as the other class navs, doesn't list any tiers, etc. Unfortunately, I can't fix it, since I am not particualry good with templates like that, nor do I know the tiers for all the classes.--Otherarrow 11:41, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok,I see. Thanks though. GigofDestruction 11:43, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Laharl13:I had to leave quickly, so i could not complete my thought. sorry about that. I'm still new at this...The Doctor 00:43, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Trenia
Why exactly have you gone and deleted that article? It was relevant to content on this Wiki (Specifically Zetta, and similarity to other characters). It is a character from the same universe. If Alexander or King Drake get half-assed articles, then why is one with actual content getting deleted? I don't understand. --Kasei'Wages'War19:23, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Going back you cited that you deleted it because it was "out of our scope", that simply is not a good answer considering this wiki has other pages about characters from that series that have NO relevance to Disgaea as a set. Since you deleted Trenia's article, then I can only assume you're also deleting every bit of content from pages that don't directly involve Disgaea. --Kasei'Wages'War19:25, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. Does Trenia appear in a Disgaea game in any form? Unless you count as Zetta's book body, which would be really stretching it, then no. Alexander and Valvoga appear as a spell cameos (I will admit I am not sure what to make of that, but eh) King Drake appears in Disgaea 3 as a DLC teacher,and Zetta and Pram are recurring Bonus Bosses/DLC Bosses at this point. Also, what other "characters from series that have NO relevance to Disgaea" articles are there? You mean the odd DLC characters in Disgaea 3? Well, being in Disgaea 3 allows them in I'm afraid.--Otherarrow 19:52, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * However Trenia is still relevant because she helps form much of Zetta's story, even is she doesn't appear herself she's still very important. Maderas does not appear in Disgaea 3, but that doesn't mean he's not existent in the series. This helps readers of this wiki expand their knowledge of the Disgaea Universe and helps them understand what is going on. Please revert your deletion, I know there's a page that lets you do it.--Kasei'Wages'War 20:17, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * That would mean making a special case for one character, when other, argueably more important, characters (such as Walnut) have thier pages deleted without complaint? Well that isn't very fair. As for the rule itself, I am not sure if I have the right to overrule it on my own, as it is a rule we've had around since we started trying to revive this Wiki. And I stand by it. We should cover Disgaea first, and when that is satisfactory, maybe then we can talk about expanding the scope. However, we still have a ways to go: we got all of the D3 class pages to do, our Prinny coverage is almost nonexistent, and Disgaea 4, with all the class pages, character pages, and so on that will bring, looms over the horizon. And that's just off the top of my head. I'm sorry.--Otherarrow 21:04, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sigh Oh fine, but would you at least be able to bring back the article for a bit so I can copy it down for later? I don't understand that rule; it's like teaching a group of children everything about American History, but nothing concerning world history, they learn very little. I was actually planning on making a larger amount of these articles, specifically for the other main characters (Raiden, Babylon, Salome, etc), but I guess the people here hate knowledge. --Kasei'Wages'War 05:43, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * People here "hate knowledge"? Now you are just trying to pick a fight. I don't get what your problem is, as I've attempted to be reasonable with you about this, and you respond by insulting all of us? Also, a Wiki isn't a school, and even if it was, it'd be a class on Disgaea, which Makai Kingdom isn't. Did I say we'd never cover Makai Kingdom? No! I said I'd rather we cover Disgaea first, since that is our main topic, and when this Wiki is finally up and good, then we can cover the other stuff. Personally, I'd love to expand to Makai Kingdom and Phanton Brave and so on, but I understand why we aren't right now. It'd be like asking for seconds when you can't even finish the initial helping.--Otherarrow 09:22, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not pick a fight; I'm just having a hard time understanding your issue here. If I have information that can be added, why aren't you letting me? It's not like I have to look for it (I have Makai Kingdom), and I intended to expand the content of articles relevant to the game while I still have a chance to. However you delete the article if for no other reason than to spit in my face. Reasonable? No, you're not trying to be reasonable, there is no reasonable excuse for deleting an article which is relevant, informative, and has obstructed no Wikia rules.--Kasei'Wages'War 23:47, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * But it has obstructed the rules of this Wikia. The rule of inclusion. And I did not delete the article to "spit in your face", why would I abuse power just to spite some user I've never met? The reason is because the character is outside our scope. This is a Disgaea Wiki. We cover Disgaea. Not Nippon Ichi. (really, that'd be impossable to do...) If it appears in Disgaea, we cover it. Trenia, well, never appears outside Makai Kingdom, and the only relevance to Disgaea is that Zetta is in her "body". She herself is never brought up by either Zetta or Pram in their Disgaea cameos. (indeed, all the cameos may take place before they even figure out who she is. Or something. It's confusing.)--Otherarrow 00:47, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I won't try to argue a point I can't win. Can you please just undelete the article for a bit so I can copy it down until a later date?--Kasei'Wages'War02:15, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Prinny: CIRBTH chars
Hey,I was thinking,maybe the characters that appeared in the Prinny game have their own character article,so,what do you think? GigofDestruction 01:38, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Don't see any reason not to.--Otherarrow 09:11, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline?
Do we have a timeline article anywhere?--Kasei'Wages'War00:37, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't. Mostly because a timeline would be very confusing and odd, and the games contradict each other sometimes. (Infinite having Mao meet Laharl even though D3, set years later, has them not recognize each other at all comes to mind right away.)--Otherarrow 00:58, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * While you make a point, I think attempting to create a timeline would be a nice activity for the site, using hints from the games, etc, to do so. --Kasei'Wages'War 02:15, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * On a different note altogether (and this is my last question tonight I promise) am I able to upload images to use on my userpage?--Kasei'Wages'War 02:32, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding uninformative file titles
Administrators can rename files using the move button in the same way pages are moved. This should be easier than reuploading and then deleting the original file. Hope that helps. - Adan Aileron (talk) 01:03, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh really? That does help! Thanks a lot! Reduces hassle on my end.--Otherarrow 09:39, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ryuenjin
There are missing evilities (LVL 1) in the majority of characters classes.

Prinny: Can I really be the Hero template.
Sorry for bothering you,but is there are Prinny:CIRBTH template? (Must be kind of annoying to get lots of messages,huh?) GigofDestruction 13:04, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Images
I didnt want to check for the images, so just uploaded some, ok? ~Not to be an ass or anything, but don't repost stuff that I had put. I makes me feel like i'm contributing things to this wiki for nothing. Just make sure not to repost things, and I'll do my best not to do the same thing.

Disguya WTF 19:26, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Life's a garden, DIG IT!
 * Pardon? I didn't "repost" anything. I simply replaced the duplicate images with the images we already have. Uploading duplicate images because you "didn't want to check" is a poor excuse, since checking the Disgaea 2 page for that class is just a few clicks, at the most. We appreciate anyone who wants to help, and I hope you will be a helpful contributor, it seems you just need to understand how a few things work first. EDIT: Forgive me if I came off as rude--Otherarrow 23:09, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

I am very sorry if i was irritated, and your right, not checking for the images, was, I'll admit, LAZY. It was late, and i wanted to go to sleep. I apologize for any inconvience.

Disguya WTF 23:55, February 9, 2011 (UTC) Life's a garden, DIG IT!
 * It is no problem.--Otherarrow 00:50, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Uploading images
I'm sorry for uploading the fanart, i didnt think it wasnt allowed

Replacing Disgaea 1 Class Sprites
I want to replace the low quality sprites in Disgaea 1, the ones with a .jpg extension with a higher quality sprites with a .png extension but it does not allow me to do it. is it alright that I upload the sprite instead.
 * Sure. Since JPG and PNGs are different file types, you can't just upload over it, and you do have to upload a new file.--Otherarrow 19:52, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Background skin?
Hey, just wanted to give you a head's up that I'm going to have the content team design a background skin for the wiki to help spruce it up a little. We'll also be adding content again if we can to help out. Please let me know if you need anything else from us; more than happy to help. tae (talk ) 19:42, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

No need to apologize
Hey man, just wanted to say, you shouldn't feel the need to apologize for pushing back on issues regarding the wiki. You're obviously passionate about this place, which we love, and we appreciate that you ask questions. The last thing we want to do is come in here and dictate how this wiki should look, so definitely having you give us your thoughts on changes helps. We want it to be a collaborative venture between the Wikia staff and you guys in the community, so this is actually the way it should go. Thanks again for your input and your help. And remember, you can touch base with me whenever you need anything. tae (talk ) 22:27, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Wish
Wish i could rollback everything, sorry.

Bigbangbleach 02:57, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting Lamington's page.It was my first edit in this Wikia thing and I got a little confused with all those things,,,And there were so many things I wished to put there, and a lot of them were useless.Thanks again!(Master Lamington 17:30, May 26, 2011 (UTC))

Replacing Disgaea 3 Class Sprites
Hello, Otherarrow. Yesterday, I edited the pages of the monsters that appear in Disgaea 3, but when I sawthe updates, I found that you took the pictures that I had put to by the ugly and smallerversions of them, why?And sorry again if I understand their bad intentions, I am new to the business of editingthe Wikia.

If my writing is wrong, sorry, I'm using Google translator, because I'm Brazilian.


 * Oh, the main reason is because you linked images from another image hosting site instead of just uploading over the images we already had. I thought that was kinda bizarre, but now I see it was out of inexperiance, nothing wrong here. If you want to upload your higher quality sprites, you can find the image files here. I'm sorry if I came off as rude during any of this. I hope to have your help in the future.
 * EDIT:Looks like you made an account. Silly me. Well, then there is nothing stopping you from uploading the better quality images then.--Otherarrow 14:47, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * ... How can I tell you ... These images are provided Somewhat exaggerated ... because... try putting the image of a giant Rifle Demon! While the articles are tiny, mine areaverage, while That comment you posted are enormous. I think the size it was placed,would be better.Then, image hosting system with Which Could I put the new images forediting articles?Higino2 15:14, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't quite follow. From what I can tell, the problem isn't the images themselves, they are just being resized too small on the pages. Don't worry, I'll try to take care of it.--Otherarrow 15:20, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I re-edited the page of the Reaper,I put pictures that I have on my computer in the image hosting service of Wikia, see if you need to change or something.Higino2 15:40, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand. The images we have are fine. I looked into it, and the problem is that they are being resized to small on the pages, so I am resizing them to be bigger. Don't worry! And thanks for bringing this to my attention. If you have any other questions, just ask.--Otherarrow 15:44, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Disgaea 4 guide
I made a messege on front page but no one responded. Anyway, I will repeat what I said

"Have you guys ever considered making a guide for NIS games or Disgaea 4? If yes, I would love to contribute. We could add stuff like weapons, fast level guide, or monster guide. Currently, I'm contributing to Record of Agarest War Wikia guide . The information will almost mirror Record of Agarest War information or content, of course, with more Disgaea stuff involve.

Once Disgaea 4 comes out I would love to help out and focus more of attention towards this. The only thing I lack is proper Wiki skill and experience. I have a somewhat basic grasp of this "Wikia" stuff. I just need need a good or experienced admin/user to help me with tougher stuff."

I hope by adding a guide it will greatly improve the contribution from other users because more people will use a guide compare to character or game information. Tell me what you think! If not, I go myself and create an Wikipedia devoted to it. I'll probably mess up a lot since I'm very inexperienced.

Fatbeer 14:56, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't answer because I don't know. I'll pass this on to the other admin though. I know some other Wikis have user walkthroughs, but I am not sure we need that here (since each stage has a walkthrough segment already, each class page has how to unlock the class, and so on) Although creating a whole other wiki just for walkthroughs sounds like a waste, not to mention that would mean it would have to "fight" with this wiki for views and editors. I'd rather you just edit here. Disgaea 4 is just about to come out, and anyone who can edit with info about that would be helpful.--Otherarrow 15:12, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah... creating another Wikipedia does sound like a waste, and we do have "fight" for views and editors. I just wonder where would I put the information? It much easier to put a link in the front page towards the article but that would require a redesign of the front page. If we don't put the information in the front page, most of articles will be ignored. Right now, I'm reading the Japanese Wikipedia or guides to get a general idea of basic design and layout for Disgaea 4 content. Fatbeer 15:22, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know the Final Fantasy has a separate "space" for walkthroughs. I think if we do end up doing walkthroughs, it would be best to do the same thing, you know? I wouldn't expect any walkthrough to end up linked on the front page though, sorry. Again, I'll get back to you on that.--Otherarrow 15:27, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just check out the Final Fantasy Wikipedia and now I understand what you are talking about. We can create a seperate space for walkthroughs and within the link will provide many sublinks to different categories. I guess I'm not use to it because I came from the Record of Agarest War and they have only two games out, so it wasn't nesscary to create multiple pages. If we compare games with a long running series such as Final Fantasy, Tales, Disgaea, or Shin Megami Tensai then we need to create a seperate page for Walkthrough. I think we should add a link for Walkthrough in front page. I think the most basic requirement for each rpg guide is character comparsions, mechanics, basic faqs, monster bestiary, normal walkthrough, post game walkthrough, and weapon/armor/accessory tables.
 * Fatbeer 15:47, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahhh.. now I see, there are guides in this Wikipedia. It just that is really hard to find. I found one under Disgaea 3 called "game content ". A lot of these Wikipedia enteries need some sort of basic layout, similiarity or constancy, so our readers will know what to expect without learning each different design. Right now, I'm mirroring the design for Disgaea 3 into Disgaea 4 . I've already create a trophies and charactrer list. I'll add more later. I probably create a new page just for guides/walkthrough and link all the articles together then you put it on the front page. Also, do you want a section for music for NIS? Do you want them as individual game or all togethor? I know a great source for music infomation. In the music section I can either link a youtube video or add an audio file to Wikipedia. I think it's better to link to prevent some sort of copyright infringement.Fatbeer 17:59, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I case you want to know most of the tables and guides should be under the "Terms" and "Lists" in the Disgaea 3 template. the template for disgaea 1 and disgaea 2 also have some.--Haru3173 06:03, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * That is extremely weird design. I have to all the way down to external links to look for it. I prefer a more simple and streamline such as this . Also, guides and character information are treat much different. Most people look either one or the other. I don't want a huge clutter of links or information when I'm justing look for one particular source of information.Fatbeer 11:29, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I do find it clunky. Yuanchosaan did most the basic layout in this wiki and she a administrator of Final Fantasy Wikia, so we're kind of similar to it. A good solution I think is to make a portal for each main games so we have a more simple page to put every link and that the main page wouldn't be too clutter--Haru3173 15:16, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * No offense guys, but could you guys take this to your talk pages? It keeps pulling up a "you have a new message" thing for me, even though you guys are just talking to each other at this point. Also, walkthroughs haven't been OKed yet, so don't go jumping any guns. Likewise, don't try to change up the way things are formatted and arranged on the main page without getting consent first.--Otherarrow 16:08, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm testing a new design for the character display for guide section. Tell me what you think.
 * Do you guys know how to change the color for the squres. I have no idea what to replace them with.Fatbeer 20:33, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I deleted the page because I had no idea what it was. Do not name pages like that. If you need to experiment, make a sandbox (make a page title User:Yourusername/Sandbox) and tinker from there. I only caught a glimpse of it, but look at the templates on the class pages. Try to get them like that? Sorry.--Otherarrow 23:01, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm testing a new design for the character display for guide section. Tell me what you think.
 * Do you guys know how to change the color for the squres. I have no idea what to replace them with.Fatbeer 20:33, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I deleted the page because I had no idea what it was. Do not name pages like that. If you need to experiment, make a sandbox (make a page title User:Yourusername/Sandbox) and tinker from there. I only caught a glimpse of it, but look at the templates on the class pages. Try to get them like that? Sorry.--Otherarrow 23:01, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I did that by mistake. I just name that page because I was practicing a bit on this Wikipedia stuff and I accidently hit published by mistake. It seem like Wikia changed their design again. Since I can't delate it, I was like what the hell I'm going to add some content to page and rename it later.


 * Actually, that page was a class but it was a unique character such as Valvatorez. I notice that classes are missing uniques unless it some sort of secret area again. I create a seperate page for Valvatorez for class information. I don't want it place on same page as the character information or bio. I don't want the additonal clutter and Japanese are well known for changing their mechanics for each series. The numbers might be wrong for the next game. I also add some other stuff that were missing compare to Disgaea 3 class guide such unique attacks, aptitude and weapon proficency with skills.Fatbeer 00:01, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * We do have class pages for unique classes. Look at this one, this one, and this one. We seem to be using the same class template for all games, though each game has a different class navigation template. Unique classes go on there. (Well, they go on the main class navigation template too, but I don't know any of the D4 classes since I don't have the game yet). But don't worry about that. Just take a look at the pages I linked, and you will be fine. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.--Otherarrow 00:07, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * 1.Where do you list the unqiue classes in V.E.D.? I don't see it. I thought that type of infomation go in the class category. Do those unique class templates apply to regular create a character or monsters? When I look at character list for Disgaea 3 they have a different design.


 * 2.Do I have to create a table for different skill level or just the base stat?


 * 3. When it comes to similar mechanics in a different game should I put them in different category or the same page? Like this hospital rewards.


 * 4.How do you guys handle area of effect spells? Do you give a brief description or add an image? On Record of Agarest War we have a bit mix bag. We have either a description or we add an image for extended area link . I added an image right next to the skill but the moderator didn't like it. He felt that it was unnesscary work, didn't add much, and design look weird.Fatbeer 00:52, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hold on, weren't you making a page for Val's unique class from Disgaea 4? That is what I was giving advice about. When I said ask me any questions, I ment conscerning class pages! OK. OK. First off, what is a "VED"? I have no clue what you are talking about here. As for different designs, starting with Disgaea 2, every class was given a redesign, and designs from that are used in Disgaea 3 and 4 as well. Second, similar mechanics in different games go on the same page (example: Item World), in the case where you need more space to go into specifics, make another page (example: Item World (Disgaea 3) Hospital rewards go on the same page, no need to create another page. Third, Skill levels, just the base will do. Fourth, area of effect spells uses descrptions (as shown on the class pages). I hope this makes sense.--Otherarrow 01:03, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * The ved I'm refering to is the template such as Disgaea 1, Disgaea 2 , Disgaea 3 or Disgaea 4 . I have no idea what the word actually mean, all I see is the words next to the template. When I'm adding information to normal classes should I add the applitude, base stats or weapon. I notice that information is missing(Male fighter, Ninja, Mothman and other classes) compared to unique character classes such as Mao. Is it because each group or class have different stats for those categories? I think it better to have all info at one page to prevent opening multiple pages.Fatbeer 02:27, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, that V E D. Don't worry about that VED. The template is not called VED btw, it's called a navigation template (or a nav for short). Classes have their own nav templates (such as Template:Disgaea Classes), and the unique classes would go there. Disgaea 4 does not have one yet. Also, generic class pages have a few "levels" to them. Allow me to explain. First, we have the Parent (Let's use the Female Fighter), which gives an overview of the class, explains the classes backstory, and has a short bit about the class in each game. Then we have a game specific parent page, or what I like to call a "subparent" (Female Fighter (Disgaea 3)), which elaborates on the class in that game. On the "subparent", there should be a list or template that links to pages for each of the tiers. The stats and aptitudes would go on the page for each individual tier, not the parent or subparent. I'll admit, the Disgaea 3 class tiers are nowhere near done, lots of red links in the D3 class nav, but I haven't found the time to get to them just yet. So my bad on that.--Otherarrow 02:52, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, now I understand. I just think this Wikia need a simple and streamline process to navigate your menus. I have to learn the whole in and outs to properly navigate this Wikia. The design here is unlike any website I know. Sometimes having less is having more. Maybe you should all class with a simple navagation of clicking List>>Class for all the class. Within that list should also contain uniques class to reduce the addtion of new menus. I don't think that subparrent is really nesscary. You can put all the information within that class. I seen DoubleJump books able to execute it well. If you need addtional information for Disgaea 3 class, I can add the information from my Doublejump guide. I can't add the information from personal test run since I longer own the game anymore. I think the Disgaea 4 character template need a new redesign to adapt to new changes of gameplay/mechanic. At most it just small little change like critical hit or weapon mastery into weapon infinity. I want to make sure is it fine with you or not before adding the new changes. Fatbeer 05:48, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you know how to make a template page? I made test design for Job stats for Disgaea 4. I basicly just copy and paste some of your job stat template and edit some stuff for Disgaea 4 content.
 * The only change is you removed Weapon Rank and added Elemental Resistance (which is something that should have been in the original to begin with, IMO) The only other change (the addition of Range) is unneeded, since attack range changes depending on equipped weapon. I thought that Disgaea 4 had some radical new thing that would disable us from using the old template?--Otherarrow 13:06, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed weapon rank because there's no weapon master since Disagea 3. The series added Weapon Affinity or weapon skills that certain class can use a certain particular weapon skill unless it was inherited through other means such as high tier fist skill Big Bang for Fenrich. Or you can leave weapon rank blank and use that same template design. Same thing. Ranged is for monster class. Human always have range of 1, but monsters can vary. Rifle Demon, Flora Beast and certain special characters have different ranges of attack.Fatbeer 15:25, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah OK. Well, monsters have been like that since Disgaea 3. And I am pretty sure Weapon Affinity has been around since D3 as well, and we didn't have to change it too much. (I think we just noted if they had affinity with the weapon or not?) Although making a D3/D4 template would probably just be better.--Otherarrow 16:00, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * You have two options right now: add or readjust the current template or create a new one. If you readjust it, you have rename "Weapon Mastery" to Weapon Mastery or Weapon Affinity. And you have to add resistance and range. I think it's far easier to create a new template for D3/D4. When you adjust the current template, it will drastically change the design for older existing one. They will have a lot of blank information and some people visiting this website might misinterpreted as missing information.Fatbeer 17:44, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * We aren't changing the old one outside of adding resistance, since well, Disgaea 1 and 2 do have weapon ranks, the D3 and D4 not having them doesn't "retcon" that. As I said, it would be better to just make a D3/D4 one. Go ahead and do it. Be bold! (I would, but I am not the best with wikicode. Sorry).--Otherarrow 19:12, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not very good at this template stuff. In Record of Agarest War page I submitted manly hard information. I usually bug an experience user or moderator to help me with complicated stuff or google it. Anyhoo, I made the template. I just copy and paste the old design but made some small changes. Template. I use Valvatorez to test if the template work or it, so far it seem to be holding up.Fatbeer 09:02, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks good, though I moved it to a less unwieldy name. We will be using this thing for all D3 and D4 classes, so it helps to have a simple name, yes? Also, you don't have to copy the URL each time you want to make a link just putting it in brackets (for example Laharl becomes Laharl).--Otherarrow 13:10, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I added a new design for the classes. I put most of the information in one page to prevent jumping back and forth to look for information. Tell me what you think about it. Class redesign. If you like it, I have to add a new design for monsters and mages.Fatbeer 21:09, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Forgive my rudeness, but no. We do not need all the info crudely crammed onto one page. It is not like we have a page limit on the wiki or anything, and I personally feel we can show the information more effectively and less haphazardly the way we have been doing. Also, there are a few problems: What of differing elemental resistances? (Sometimes resistances change between tiers. At least, they did in the first three games) What of techniques that only be learned by a certain tier or higher? (Sure, you can say "but my way showed that by the weapon affinity". Those numbers mean nothing to players if we don't show just what the affinity means in terms of techniques that can be learned.) Heck, what of palette swaps of the sprites. portraits, and cut-ins that each tier has, as minor as that is? Although I do see yout good will, I also believe throwing such huge charts at readers would only overwhelm them. Forgive me for any perceived rudeness. --Otherarrow 22:35, September 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess it is a personal perference. I perfer all the information in one page but if you like it on different pages that ok. I always like to try out new design to make things more efficent. As for elemental resistances, most of resistances are the same except the mages. The weapon affinity mostly apply to humanoid units. Monsters have their own unique class set skills. Mages have different spell list within each tier. With weapon affiinity or weapon forte, you can either create a link to the weapons skills or you can display that infomation in the same page. Plus, you have to factor in the mechanics of inheritance through the Char World, where anybody can learn any skills within the same party.


 * Example
 * {| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="width: 500px; "


 * Class
 * Fist
 * Bouncer
 * Triple Strike, Exploding Fists, Special Burst
 * Body Guard
 * Triple Strike, Exploding Fists, Special Burst, Rising Dragon
 * }
 * Weapon Affinity
 * Weapon Skills are aviable to humanoid characters(not to monster). Each human class have their own unique weapon affinity or "weapon fortes". They can only learn certain weapon abilities unless they are inherited through Char World. You can purchase these weapon skills at the Evility Shop. The first six are purchased at the Evility shop, and the final two are larned from the Char World
 * {| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="width: 500px; "
 * Weapon Skills are aviable to humanoid characters(not to monster). Each human class have their own unique weapon affinity or "weapon fortes". They can only learn certain weapon abilities unless they are inherited through Char World. You can purchase these weapon skills at the Evility Shop. The first six are purchased at the Evility shop, and the final two are larned from the Char World
 * {| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="width: 500px; "

Fatbeer 00:17, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Skill Name
 * SP
 * Power
 * FX
 * Element
 * Ailment
 * Range
 * style="text-align: center; "|1
 * style="text-align: center; "|Triple Strike
 * style="text-align: center; "|4
 * style="text-align: center; "|F
 * style="text-align: center; "|ATK & SPD
 * style="text-align: center; "| -
 * style="text-align: center; "| -
 * }
 * style="text-align: center; "| -
 * }
 * }


 * I do think that having a separate page for each tier feel kinda redundant. So I'm experimenting with tab in my sandbox. It's a bit rough but what you think?--Haru3173 05:28, September 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I like the new design. It's very neat and get all the information without adding addtional space. I didn't know that weapon forte or weapon affinity is under the skill list for this Wiki. I guess I'm too used to reading DoubleJump style information. DoubleJump is my bible for Disgaea information. I have to rename that. Anyway, how to we handle mages or monster classes for new design? Both classes don't have weapons skill. Both classes have spells or monster skill instead and each class have a different set amount of skills, there might be some blank spaces. Also, what design is this for? I'm assusming it's Disgaea 3-4 with weapon skills.Fatbeer 05:57, September 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I haven't play disgaea 4 yet but I'm guessing monster learn their skill base on level and not on tier? If so, it's gonna be the same as any monster page. As for mages skills, I did one for disgaea 2 but I don't think it looks that nice so I have to think about that. As for what design is this for? It basically works for any general class since a tab works like a separate page so you can add and remove anything to it.--Haru3173 06:37, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ya, monsters learn their skills based on level not tier. I haven't check all the class units. That mage design doesn't look that great, but all the important information is there. I notice that your tier list is missing resistance and requirements to unlock that class. Fatbeer 07:09, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, how should I handle this map or walk through situtation for Disgaea 4? Should I follow the same guidelines as Disgaea 1 maps? Use that specific map template then include a strategy. I notice that some of map have different designs. Should I also include enemy information like this or story information like this? Also, how do I handle these X-Dimension maps? Fatbeer 10:07, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd use the D1 map guidelines. As for different designs, I honestly don't know what you mean. Use both enemy information and story information, if you can manage. Know that not all maps have story bits attached though. Sorry that I am no real help.--Otherarrow 13:24, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I notice that several Disgaea 1 maps have different designs on them. Some of them have story and some of them don't. Some have additional information like equipment and some of them don't. It might be different because of different editors. I also notice you have two seperate template for each game: Disgaea 1 and Disgaea 2, so I've create a template for Disgaea 4 map. I made two sample maps with the same name: Defying God (A) and Defying God (B). Each one have different content in it because there is a fork path in 10-6, Boiling Point. The decisions you made in Boiling Point will affect your last boss. Fatbeer 07:52, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not an expert on the map pages, but it looks fine to me.--Otherarrow 12:41, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Giveaway?
Hey there, just wanted to touch base with you about A Promise Unforgotten. I wanted to see if you guys wanted to do a giveaway to coincide with the launch? I can offer you a small budget and can help you with the logistics of buying the prizes and shipping it to the winner. Can you talk to the other admins and let me know if you're interested. I am going to reach out to my NIS America contact to see if they can provide some cool swag as well, but at the very least, I can probably get you guys a copy (possibly two) of the game itself to give away. It would need to be kept to US only unfortunately, but it'll still give members of this community a shot at winning a cool prize.

And reading your conversation with Fatbeer above, I would suggest you take a look at a walkthrough we created for the Alice wiki. We used a Walkthrough namespace (as you suggested to Fatbeer), which allows it to exist without affecting the main wiki itself. If you want our help getting the walkthrough created, I'm happy to get that rolling as well. Just let me know. tae (talk ) 20:15, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * The walkthrough looks nice, though I am not really a fan of videos on wikis. The way it's structured would work though, if that makes sense? As I said before, I'll have to talk to Yuanchosaan, the other admin, about that. As for a giveaway, I am not sure that this wiki, being so small and not very active, would be able to pull it off, and either way, I don't feel this is something I should be giving the say on anyway. Sorry. I'll get back to you on both things, though.--Otherarrow 22:52, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, please talk to Yuanchosaan and let me know on both. And don't discount this wiki's popularity. You guys get a pretty good amount of traffic according to my analytics numbers. So your hard work is being appreciated by a lot of people. tae (talk ) 23:01, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I much rather prefer a walkthrough in front page. The front page always generate a lot exposure or page views compare to invidual page. More page views = a greater chance someone might edit our pages in the near future.

Also, video walkthrough have their own strength and weakness. Here are some I can think on top my head

+ Frame data such as attacks, movement, combos, counterattacks, or actions. This is perhaps the biggest advantage when it comes to videos

+ Some people don't like reading a wall of text

+ Hidden items and treasure locations

- Aren't quite as organized. They don't have a table of contents. It is far easier to use ctrl+f compare to fast fowarding the video that may or may not have the content you wanted. Hard information such item, weapons or accesories are far better suited for text information. I doubt people want to rewind or pause for that information.

- Not updated frequently. This is biggest problem with videos. Users tend to put one video and they're done. Videos required far more editing compared to text information. What happen when a user found a better technique on handling a boss or better experience to grind?

- Some people might dislike the commentary.Fatbeer 02:16, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * IMHO a video walkthrough doesn't really work for a srpg since there are multiple strategy to beat a map and there is a variety of classes to use. So compare to the video, the user might preferred a different strategy and they can also be using different characters. A walkthrough where you give the user general information about the map works better, kind of like the Record of Agarest War Wikia guide--Haru3173 07:44, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

OK. I spoke with Yuan, and the walkthroughs are OK. I guess now we have to sort out the specifics now (I still support the walkthrough namespace, and I think she does too). As for the other thing, I feel kinda foolish for not thinking to ask this until Yuan brought it up, but how would this hypothetical giveaway thing work anyway? A contest? A raffle type thing? A vote?--Otherarrow 05:00, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Aren't there some walkthroughs on Youtube? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  22:04, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably, but that doesn't affect us at all. Do not even consider stealing other peoples walkthroughs please.--Otherarrow 23:02, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I assure you I wasn't? I am plenty sure that if you asked them they would jump at the chance to letting you use them here? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  23:09, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * This may just be my dislike of using videos on Wikis talking, but I'd rather a text walkthough. Besides, I rather the walkthroughs be written and done by editors here at the wiki, instead of letting someone unaffiliated just use us for free publicity or vice versa. (Not that I would forbid one of you doing a video walkthough of a Disgaea game.)--Otherarrow 23:14, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Contest deets
So basically, I just provide you and the admins with a budget (it's around $100 or so) and you guys come up with the idea. I don't know Disgaea very well, so I have no idea what would appeal to a fan; is it a copy of the game, an action figure, some sort of related apparel, etc. So I just need you help coming up with the prize that comes in under that budget. As for the means of entry, I leave that up to the admins to decide as well. If you want it to be some sort of essay contest, that's one way, or you can do it as a random draw where people just enter and you just randomly pick a winner. It's very open. I can provide guidance and offer some opinions (there are pros and cons to every method), but it's mostly about having fun and giving the community a shot at something cool. So, first step would be to start on that walkthrough (and I can have one of our staff members come in and help you get it rolling with our template if you'd like), then decide what you want to giveaway. Then we can figure out the rest from there. Thanks! tae (talk ) 17:22, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you for being willing to offer this to us, and all, but we've decided not to go ahead with the giveaway idea. Yuan is indifferent towards this, and I still don't feel too good about the idea. Sorry for the trouble. Of course, would it still be OK to ask for help with things related to getting walkthroughs set up when the need arises?--Otherarrow 04:18, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Song editing
Here are links for editing Maritsu Evil Academy (song).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjF8okzXSiY (translated lyrics)

http://games.yahoo.co.jp/qa/detail?qid=1163380281 (raw lyrics)

--OhJay 08:43, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Adding more information on class page
Very sorry if I had been brass, I thought you were okay with it since you didn't respond. Does it look bad? I thought it look quite neat, I even made a template so that it's easier to edit. We can still add a link to a separate tier page if that's the problem. I can put the link on the sprite and the name.--Haru3173 16:52, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * The template itself looks fine, I still just am a bit uneasy with the idea of trying to "fit" everything on one page. The reason I didn't object, is, well, I would just be repeating what I said before. I personally feel that since this would change such a large amount of pages and future pages on the wiki (seriously, we have how many class pages per game?), it would require a bit of discussion with the community as a whole to figure if this is the best way to go about things. After all, wouldn't this template make individual tier pages redundant? That is how many existing pages that would just be turned into redirects to the template on the "parent" page?--Otherarrow 17:11, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can see why your worry. I made that template since almost all of the class pages have red links for individual tier page. I didn't want that to happen again for disgaea 4. Tier pages are not really needed they are only providing stat, skill and reincarnation costs, you also say it yourself adding that information to the class page will make them redundant. I also think that supplying that information to the class page will make it easier for other people to add and correct that information--Haru3173 18:41, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Just so we're clear and before I implement it, are you cool with using the template? --Haru3173 03:22, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Have you guys figure a design for class, or a design for spells? I've already create a huge collective lists of Spells in Disgaea 3(no dlc) and Disgaea 4. These lists are similiar to Evility in Disgaea 3 that they have a large collection of information. I also create one for List of Disgaea 4 Weapon Skills with a huge collective lists of weapon skills and weapon affinity, but apparently one of guys deleted weapon affinity thinking it was unnecessary(you can look for it under history). I thought these lists are similar to Evility, you can look at large database of information without opening multiple pages. Do you guys want generic skills on class pages or Chara Evilites as well in these class pages? Gamefaqs link. I thought they should be included as well since they're bound by classes. I put a few on Bouncer class.

I'm kinda exhausted enter all these Disgaea 4 database. I need a little help, so I can focus on other stuff such as dupe, walkthrough, level 300 guide, and X-Dimension guide. Fatbeer 05:35, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Isn't Weapon Affinity already on the class pages? It's pointless to have them on the Weapon Skills page, that's why I deleted them. It also pains me to see how you mention my deletion of unneccessary information yet make no notice of how I've been implementing Disgaea 4's class colors to standardize the tables. And if I'm wrong about Weapon Affinity, then we need to implement that on class pages, for sure. And I'm under the influence that class pages should look like Warrior (Disgaea 3), with tier images and weapon affinities on one parent page, and their individual tier names can redirect to said parent. -- Silver Crono  10:33, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tier pages aren't redirecting to parent pages. Yuan and I decided against that. Tier pages are still go. Someone just needs to get off their bums and make them (this goes for Disgaea 3 tiers too. Didn't someone else say they had the guide to D3?) As for page layout and all that stuff, honestly, I haven't be focusing on that. I've been busy with other things. Sorry.--Otherarrow 14:27, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm absolutely cool with adding weapon affinity to the list since it can provide convenience to users, like the evility page. For the generic evilities because many of the classes share a lot of them, I probably just put a link to the list instead of imputing them multiple times. different story for tier page though, it's better to put everything in it since more information is good for that. You're all doing a great job though I'd be exhausted doing the things you do, especially the data and tables, man those are confusing. Oh and before I forget, is it alright to use the template?--Haru3173 15:54, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see no real problem with it, but I am not the most knowledgeable on these types of things. Maybe tweak the colors to "match" with the template on the tier pages? Sorry I can't really help at the moment.--Otherarrow 17:41, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

The thing is I'm not very skilled when it comes to this wikipedia thing, and I don't know the designs for this Wikipedia; of course I'm not going to put some color into it. It would be so much easier if someone just put a design for all these pages and all I do is put in the information. Also, when I'm entering information I'm very scared that my information is constantly getting delete. It's acutally holding me back. I have to write the addtional notes just in case if the information gets delete. It such as pain in the ass to write through all information without getting help and I have to worry about information getting deleted. If someone actually help me, such as design, I would of finish all the character class for both Disgea 3 and 4. I wish people here are little more flexible and actually help each other and work as a team. I never thought I would experience so many problem enter information in this wikipedia. Maybe I should just jump back to Record of Agarest War wikipedia.Fatbeer 03:27, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * There are very few of us here, and most of us are busy with other things at the moment. I am sorry I am unable to help you at the moment, and indeed, I greatly appreciate your help. Tell me, where has information you put in been deleted? What was the information? If it got removed, re-add it, explaining why you feel it is important in the edit comment. If the person insists on removing it, bring it up on the talk page. As for colors and specific templates, don't worry about it. Copy/paste templates from other pages, use "generic" tables, whatever. Just get the information out there. Someone else (probably me) will clean up the small stuff. As for the class pages/tiers thing, there seems to be some edit warring between Haru3173 and SilverCrono about it. I would advise them to stop before I have to start locking pages. Calm down, we aren't trying to get you or anything. If you need any help, ask me or Yuan.--Otherarrow 04:15, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * The small community help doesn't quite bother me as much, considering I came from Record of Agarest with 2-3 people(myself included) doing the majority of editing. I'm kinda used to it, but I perfer some extra help if someone offer it. What worry me the most is the deleting and design.


 * Most of my unique class and tier class(I mostly use Bouncer design) came from copy and pasting. I always thought that someone would clean up the design later or fix any typo or grammatical error I make. As for the deleting problem, once you deleted my weapon skills for the Bouncer class I was little worry because I have no place to jot down information for each class. I know if I put something down there might be a chance for deletion, so I start taking two sets of notes. One for the wikipedia and one for my personal record, just in case something gets deleted. Then I was think.....I can create a seperate page to jot down all my class information: one list for weapons, spells, and maybe evilites or class skills. I can break two bird with one stone. I get a place to jot my notes and these lists might be helpful to the wikipedia. Once you guys figure out a design for class I can copy and paste the information towards the class pages. Fatbeer 05:46, October 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm on Fatbeer side, I'm actually very glad that someone is finally imputing data but some people are concentrating too much on superficial design. That's why I'm trying to stop SilverCrono from just deleting information that someone work very hard with. So Otherarrow if you can help me with this, just check and see if my edit is alright and revert it back if it is, this also help Fatbeer with the lists he's making. I'm actually very busy at the moment but lets at least try to make a final design on the class page. I just need the information on the generic evility since I don't have access to this information. Fatbeer if it's not much of bother can you input it here just state which classes learn which generic evility. That way you only need to input the unique evility for each class page. After that I'll do the rest--Haru3173 06:43, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok I just edited the Bouncer page, hopefully we can all agree that this is what a class page should look like. Sorry I can not find a better images and sprites, I'm really busy right now. Oh and if the class have a unique skill just add it before the evility like in disgaea 3.--Haru3173 08:23, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. Sure, the stat coverage isn't complete (it's just stats and weapon skill), but it works for quick comparing stats across tiers, which was your goal, correct? The tier pages themselves can go into the stuff like jump, throw, move, (which sometimes does change across tiers. I know they did in the earlier games at least) and spells for mages, yes? I like what you did with having just unique evilities, and a link to the generic ones. As for the list of Weapon Skills, I see no problem at all. The list wasn't finished, but that isn't really a fault of you. Man, Disgaea 4 has probably four times the weapon skills the other games had. Sorry that you guys have been having so much trouble. I'm slogging my way through Disgaea 4 as we speak, so I should be able to help more soon.--Otherarrow 15:53, October 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * You can beat Disgaea 4 really quick since people discover a glitch trick to dupe weapons or armor without puppy stick . Some people can beat the main story in 10 hours or less depending if you want to see the story sequences or not. People are basic duping low-end items very early in the game then transfer and merge all the Specialists. You can have 16 slots of 19998 ATK Gladiators early in the game. For more information go link.

If your having money problems, use the Hospital trick. Get a Prinny class unit then learn the 1HL evility(Healing fee at the Infirmary becomes 1HL). Throw the Prinny then heal at the hospital, eventually you will get a reward. Sell the reward then rinse and repeat the strategy. Also, there are several Power Leveling spots such as 9-4 and MT Ordeals 4 for fast leveling. Use the dupe trick to make several Statistician specialist to gain additional experience.Fatbeer 03:05, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Have you guys officially decided a design for the class page? I've sacrifice my sandbox for class information and weapon affinity to prepare myself once you decided a design. I hope no one will delete that. If they do, I will flip out! Of course, you still have Spells and Evilites in their seperate page. I added mostly unique evilites and unique class skills for each class page for now....Fatbeer 10:01, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asUXYaU-DHQ Here is the source, and it is in the original Japanese translation as well. I just gave English as proof of where the lines came from.

Main Hero B article
I don't have a Japanese copy of Disgaea 4 nor do i have the DLC for the character (nor can i read Japanese) so i don't know how the character is handled there. I only edited Main Hero B's article so it was universal when talking about the character's gender.
 * OK. I think someone went back and changed it all to "he" and "him", but must have missed a few. I honestly have no clue what s/he is suppose to be. Sorry.--Otherarrow 23:05, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ahn... I have a doubt...
In the Disgaea: Afternoon of Darkness article there's a part that says that the game have a new feature of swapping between English and Japanese language... Believe me, I have a Hour of Darkness game and there's a way to do that too, so it couldn't really be a new feature...[or I'm just getting crazy?] O___õ? ^___^" (Master Lamington 07:17, November 2, 2011 (UTC))
 * No, you are right. The swapping between English and Japanese was in the original PS2 version.--Otherarrow 14:03, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Dragon
Why did you delete the information that was on the dragon page?
 * Because the info was about solely the Disgaea 3 Dragon, and would go on the Disgaea 3 Dragon's page, not a disambig.--Otherarrow 22:57, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Can you edit here:http://thesupergaming.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity. I have been trying my hardest to make this wiki grow and the wiki itself is kinda a video game encyclopedia. I would really apprecaite it if you edited there because we need fans from different game series to fully expand. As of that i will edit on a wiki you have that needs help or any other wikis that you want me to edit on. Overall thank you for reading!Reviewportal77 18:54, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sharks need love too
Umm...hi. I'm not too familiar on leaving messages or anything so forgive me if I do anything wrong. Also I've never created a wikia page in fear I'd screw up so I'm going to rely on generous people like you to do that for me.

Anyway, onto my issue. I was wondering why Sammy doesn't have a wikia page. I'd say he deserves one since he's a Disgaea character. Usagi has one and I feel it's unfair.

Larkybroages 22:39, February 26, 2012 (UTC) Larky!!
 * You are right, he does, doesn't he? However, I know nothing about the shark except that he eats the rabbit. He only appears in game in Disgaea 2 while the other two appear in some form in all four. Sorry.--Otherarrow 23:18, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * But that's just it! Sammy does appear in the other games! I've never played Pleinair in any form of the original Disgaea so I can't speak for that. But in Disgaea 3 Sammy was used in one of Pleinair's specials...well there were a lot of Sammys. Then in Disgaea 4 Sammy is used as a bazooka of some sort. If I ever become a suitable wikia user would you get mad if I created a page for him? And also Sammy appeared in Axel Mode too with his own sprite as he interviwed that samurai from the Evil Rangers show.
 * Larkybroages 23:55, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pleinair is DLC in those games, so I don't have access to her moves to check, sorry. I have no problem if you made a page. Be bold!--Otherarrow 00:35, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

US or UK spelling?
On this wiki, is US spelling (eg. defense, favor) or UK spelling (eg. defence, favour) supposed to be used? ►Treite, 19:39, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly? I don't know. I'd use which ever the rest of the page is using. (Also, I didn't know defence was the UK spelling. I though it was just a typo. Sorry about that)--Otherarrow 21:20, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Pages for spells, weapon skills and/or unique skills.
By that, I mean seperate pages for each spell, weapon skill, or unique skill. I've noticed that Adell's unique skill, Vulcan Blaze has its own page, so shouldn't the rest of them have their own pages as well? In addition, wouldn't they provide more information about them (such as usage description, a video if possible, a slideshow) that the tables on the class pages couldn't? ►Treite, 18:30, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've never really thought about it before, but if you think it would work out, go ahead and start making them! I can see no harm in it! I didn't notice that Vulcan Blaze has it's own page actually.--Otherarrow 18:33, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

1000 Pages!
Congratulations to the Disgaea Wiki for reaching 1000 pages! I've updated Encyclopedia Gamia's RPG Portal to reflect this. -Revitalizer 18:42, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * How did this happen? Thanks! Did you tell Yuan?--Otherarrow 19:01, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know how it happened. :p Though I would guess it's thanks to yourself and other dedicated editors! And I'll let your co-admin know about the achievement. -Revitalizer 16:52, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Diez Gentleman issue
Im sorry to bother you with this but there is an article lableled Diez GentleMan not men that a user (sorry cant remember his name) keeps changing to be the wrong article. The article is about Salvatore's class not the group so I was hoping you could lock it or prevent that user/ip address from editing the article as he is quite persistent. Also an article that has been locked has incorrect information it is list of Disgaea 4 Specialists but Disgaea 4 dosent have Specialists it has Innocents. I realize this isnt a big deal but it was rather confusing at first for me as this was my first Disgaea and i coudnt find anything on Disgaea 4 Specialists only Innocents. And i'm sorry if this post looks really bad i have never used a Talk page before.
 * OK. Thanks for the heads up!--Otherarrow (talk) 01:10, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for replying quickly and answering politely! Blingdadada (talk) 01:24, July 31, 2012 (UTC)Blingdadada
 * No problem. Glad to help (and I feel kinda dumb for not catching the Innocents thing)--Otherarrow (talk) 01:30, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Suspected vandalism
Im really sorry about bothering you again, but yesterday i saw an article labelled Space Detective?, which is an article about prinny mask so i left a delete notice stating that we already have a prinny mas article that is more complete then the one he created. I was in no way trying to shoot him down but just informig him that the article exists. Anyways today i saw that the delete notice was removed and information replaced by none other than antwnblack(something like that) who is also the creator of the Diez Gentleman page that i was asking to be changed yesterday. I dont know if he does not check if these articles exist before editing or if he is just vandaising but is there anyway you can try to stop this? Oh and this is Blingdadada i just forgot to sign in. Thank you for reading my message and i know you will make the best choice!
 * ...Yeah, I suspect this guy is a vandal. I'll probably try to wipe up a class template for Space Detective? while I am here.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:14, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Than you! You are probably the best admin on any videogame wiki ive been on! Having you as an Admin really makes up for having so few Admins on here. Also if you dont mind why are you not a beraucrat (Spelling)? Dont you have the most edits out of anyone?
 * I really just check up on here every now and then. I don't need to be a bureaucrat.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:33, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Template Issues.
I feel like an arse about this but.. I need your hep for the third time, Sorry again! Ever since joining the wiki my focus as been on finishing all the monster classes. Now that that is done (Mostly) I wanted to make everything with clean tempates i found the D4 Tier Stat one but i cannot for the ife of me figure out how to make multiple pages of it and it just dosent look right (Compare my Mystic Beast to anothers Mage or Skull). I also cannot figure out how to add the resistance table. I even tried copying and pasting the source code and even then it didnt look right. Help Please (Again Im sorry). Blingdadada (talk) 02:18, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...I am sorry, but the D4 tier stats with the tabs and such is something that even I don't really get. I'd contact the fellow who made the template and see if he can't help. Again, I'm really sorry that I am mostly useless this time, but I am not really that good with templates myself. I tried looking it over, but for the life of me I could see what you did wrong.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:24, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding! It is rather unfortunate that you dont know either about the template. Im not really sure why it dosent work as it shoud but i will definitely contact the person who made the template. Thank You!Blingdadada (talk) 02:27, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I tried adding a bit of code that the Skull page had that the Mystic Beast page didn't...but that sucked everything else into the "box". So I have no clue. Sorry I couldn't help.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:30, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Nevermind, I missed the end bit of the tabber code. I am not good at explaining it, but look at the edits I made to the page. Sorry for the trouble.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:32, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * The page has imploded! It said it cannot be accesed due to the code becoming too complex so for now I had to undo my edit and your edit. I'm very very very sorry about that, i'm hoping Haru3173 can tell us why the page destroyed itself but i did get to see the tabber code and i believe i understand how to do it now but i will leave it alone for now so i dont destroy another page. I am very sorry you had to spend your time on that. Blingdadada (talk) 03:04, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh the is what causes the code to be too complex! Blingdadada (talk) 03:17, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Just curious..
How do you find the Japanese and Romaji names for characters and is the name for the persons name or their class (So would it be Prinny Instructor or Valvatorez in Japanese on the Prinny Instrutor page)?

Blingdadada (talk) 03:34, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you are asking. The Japanese for Valvatorez would be on the Valvatorez page and the Japanese for Prinny Instructor would be on the Prinny Instructor page.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:47, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Miscellaneous Delete request
So i was in the forum (How long has that been there!?) and in the dark assemby there is a new post (yesterday) thats called prinny disgae 3 or something like that if you read it you will notice why i think it should be deleted. Thank you for reading and sorry for being so blunt as i am sick of typing because i have created two pages. Thanks again!Blingdadada (talk) 03:11, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

On Adell's similarity to Vanessa
I think it's ridiculous to look at Adell and Vanessa and then say that one is not a shout-out to the other. You might as well say that the Prism Rangers have nothing to do with the power rangers.

I'm someone who's played both Disgaea and King of Fighters, and the shout-out is pretty obvious. There is quite a lot of references from the King of Fighters in him, as tvtropes could point out for you. I decided to keep it short, but I could easily go into great detail on their similarities if neccesary.

Trivia like that is the exakt type of thing that I, personally, use wiki pages like these for. So I assumed such an addition would be welcome. With all that said, I don't care enough about this wiki to keep bitching about the subject. You are free to be as informative or as meaningless as you like.

Have a nice life, I guess. Bye!

//Signature
 * Personally, I feel that both draw from the fashion styles of punk rock and the like, but that doesn't mean that one is based on the other. I'll be honest, the only resemblance is that they both have sleeveless shirts and ties. And let's be fair here, if we allowed every little bit of "X is totally based on Y because they look kinda similar" then that opens the floodgate for a whole bunch of unconfirmed meaningless trivia entries about characters having the vaguest resemblance to other characters. Now if you actually got proof that the creators based, for example, Adell on this Vanessa chick, then sure. And as much as I love TV Tropes, they do suffer from trying to find references that aren't there sometimes. (for example, at one point they had that the time machine from Bill and Ted was a shout out to Doctor Who. I removed it, because what?) I wouldn't use them as proof of something like this. After all, they are fans just like us.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:36, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:Oh, as for the Prism Rangers referencing Sentai/Power Rangers, we include that because it is blatant. However, trying to tie the Prism Rangers to a specfic show would probably be a stretch.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:53, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Are tier pages really neccesary?
Hi its Blingdadada but i am not asking you to do anything but i have been hearing how some people like me, dont think we really need tier pages. I actually left a post on the forum not realizing it said 2011 not 2012 so of corse the conversation was over but really what is the point of them? I have heard you are very partial to them and i do see some benefits however most of them involve menial tasks that would look better but would take a significant amount of time that for such a small community isnt really worth it such as adding the face and sprite images of each tier. Do you think you could explain why you like them so much and why they have benifits that make them worthwhile. If you dont want to answer then don't i won't mind but yeah i just think they are redundant especially with the new template that Haru made (which i need to start using again..). Blingdadada (talk) 01:50, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do think it doesn't hurt to have them, and I still unsure why they are so insistent on trying to cram everything on a single page (it's not like we have a page limit or anything) I think that it helps to have tier pages because, well, as you and I learned the hard way, only a small few people know how to currently work the current "all on one page using this particular template" way. Also, I do like having etymology for class names and such, and since the tiers are named for a variety of things, trying to cram it all on one page would be problematic and unorganized. I don't think either way is more wrong or more right than the other but trying to force one out for the other without near unanimous consent would cause more problems than just having both (which is the current compromise. Or would be if the tier pages ever got made.)--Otherarrow (talk) 02:20, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I definitely agree that it would not hurt to have the tier pages and one page with all the details but as i said it does seem like a lot of work for minimal information difference but you do bring up some important points like the etymology which i had never thought of before. I also believe we should not force them out, if someone wants to make them then good for them however i do not beieve it should be expected. Also Haru fixed the template so it is much easier to use. Just my opinion feel free to disagree.
 * Oh he did? Rad. Anyway, yeah. I have no problem with your opinion.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:06, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

User page
Nice first thing to do you added on your userpage. ƒelinoel ~  (Talk)  15:30, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do I know you?--Otherarrow (talk) 16:27, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably not, but I am guessing at one point in time I made an edit on your talk page which automatically puts the page on my watch list and when an edit is made on an article in my watch list I get emailed about it. ƒelinoel  ~  (Talk)  16:36, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry about that then. Be sure to remove that watch before you go. And if you know anything about Disgaea, feel free to stay and help out.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:50, October 31, 2012 (UTC)==Disgaea 4


 * I know far too little to be of any use, maybe I will learn more at a later time though. ƒelinoel  ~  (Talk)  17:18, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Disgaea 4 Editing Story/Character Articles
Hey Otherarrow, I'm a recently new user(joined August 1) and I posted this message earlier but it was in the wrong section so anyways, I want to help edit the Story Info on Disgaea 4 and their character articles(I expanded the Vulcanus(Disgaea 4) page by adding Story, Gameplay,etc. imo she is one of my favourite characters). Is there any other way I can help seeing you have started editing more often than before.DragoniteX1 (talk) 03:42, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pardon? Anyway, if you have any info to add, then add it! If you mess up, don't worry. Other users will fix it. Be bold! Don't be lazy like me!--Otherarrow (talk) 03:45, November 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply, I planning on finishing the story summary on the Disgaea 4 page(It's summarized up to Ep.5) but first I want to unlock the LoC in Disgaea 4(here comes resetting for the Scalpers and Meowkin Pirates) before I plan on doing any major edits.DragoniteX1 (talk) 03:55, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Sprites
Hey man,how do you know all of disgaea?Hhmhmm

So i like the Rifle Demon from Disgaea 4,Can you post more images of they???
 * We have no need for full sprite sheets. Just the standing pose from the sprite will do. On the subject, stop uploading every frame of every warrior animation. We don't need it.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:38, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

hehe,Ok i stop with the upload,if is necessary,err.....How do you known all of disgaea???You're fantastic,your evil I.Q is 1.800.000(no),seriously how do you known all of disgaea?DarkWarriorFear (talk)Darkwarriorfear
 * I play the games? Umm...Yeah.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:48, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

You might known about all,you can win certain users from the youtube,huh,if you known all,you have supreme level,correct?DarkWarriorFear (talk) 04:49, December 2, 2012 (UTC)--DarkWarriorfear
 * You are talking nonsense. Stop it. Don't respond unless you actually need me for something.--Otherarrow (talk) 05:19, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Huh,ok,sorry for this,forgive meDarkWarriorFear (talk) 05:30, December 2, 2012 (UTC)--DarkWarriorFear

Character's Personaitie
I talking myself but,you can put the personalities onde the characters?Like the reaper,rifle demon,dragon,gargoyle,and others,their don't have the personalities on their pages,you can put?If is necessary
 * Pardon?--Otherarrow (talk) 19:00, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

--',Okay,isn't necessaryDarkWarriorFear (talk) 22:09, December 2, 2012 (UTC)DarkWarriorFear

Question For Certain Articles
I have a question, for certain articles on this wiki that seem to have random sentences instead of the actual infromation(For Example, Raspberyl's Lackey or Destroyer(Disgaea 3) only has one sentence not even relating to the article). For those types of articles, should it be deleted or replace the randomness with the actual class info and other relevant info to the article?DragoniteX1 (talk) 04:11, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Those are probably just spam/junk articles, that I missed. Sorry about that. If I find them, I'll delete them, but if you have the info, feel free to replace the crap with legit info.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:22, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Amazombie Vandal
There is a vandal inserting random nonsense into the Amazombie page right now. First he created the Amazombie talk page with random nonsense. Second, he keeps removing the entire page's contents and replaces them with random junk and replaces that with even more nonsense before he actually put all the content back. For vandals like these, would it be up to you or another admin to block him or could other users report him?DragoniteX1 (talk) 00:54, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I blocked him, don't worry. Just tell me and I am on it.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:17, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, there is another vandal who created a another junk article which is called Rhaspody, would an admin delete the page or other users? P.S I tried making this message earlier on your talk page but I accidently pressed Enter twice, causing me to accidently make a published edit without actualy creating it.DragoniteX1 (talk) 03:26, December 17, 2012 (UTC)



More Vandals
We have yet another vandal, this one edited the Valvatorez page to change it to make it seem Valvatorez is a female and removed the entire gallery. Block him and I will also revert the changes.DragoniteX1 (talk) 01:20, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Another vandal has appeared recently. He created the Items page and the only content is "hjk" continued in a long pattern of random words.DragoniteX1 (talk) 04:07, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

By the way, I just removed all vandalism from the Items page and replaced it with relevant info, the only thing left to  do would be to block the the vandal that previously put the vandalism in to prevent him from doing it again. DragoniteX1 (talk) 04:53, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Today, another vandal has appeared. This time he created the Paramount~ page(it's a pretty long name) that has nothing to do with the Disgaea Wiki. He also tried putting links in for random movies. I have already put a deletion notice on the page. Block him and delete the page as usual.DragoniteX1 (talk) 02:14, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

It's been a while since we have seen any vandals. Today, there is a vandal that created the Blade Master page which only says:"This topic is confusing~". It is basically irrelevant besides the fact that there really isn't a need for separate tier pages. Block the vandal and delete the page as usual.DragoniteX1 (talk) 13:47, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

There's even more vandals. Possibly the group of vandals from last year as their IP address is now unbanned. Ban all of the vandals and I will revert the changes to all of the pages.DragoniteX1 (talk) 23:37, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Once again, another vandal has shown up on the wikia. This one in particular created the Armsmaster page with only one swear word. I will remove the vandalism and replace it with legit info. You know what to do, block him before he can do any more damage.DragoniteX1 (talk) 01:45, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Another vandal has shown up again. This time, he vandalized the Disgaea: Afternoon of Darkness and Disgaea 4 pages, putting false information. I'll revert the changes and of course, you need to block him.DragoniteX1 (talk) 23:58, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

There is another vandal that appeared. This vandal put "Alucard was here muhahah" on the Disgaea 2 page. I reverted him already, so it is up to you to block him to prevent anymore damage.DragoniteX1 (talk) 21:51, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

It's been quite a while since we've seen any vandals. This vandal created the Archangel(Disgaea) page with random junk and vandalized the Makai Senki Disgaea page. Block him and I will also revert the changes, as usual.DragoniteX1 (talk) 03:02, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Another vandal has shown up. This one vandalized the Makai Wars section and changed the name of the Disgaea 4 section to "Disgaea 4: A Penis Unforgotten". Another wikia contributor actually reverted the vandalism so it's up to you whether you want to take action and prevent that vandal from doing it again.DragoniteX1 (talk) 02:45, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

A vandal has shown up recently and this one created the Tyrant (Disgaea 4) page with random letters and then another wikia contributor actually removed the vandalism from the page, leaving a blank page. You know what to do, block the vandal that created the page and delete the page.DragoniteX1 (talk) 14:06, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

There is another vandal. This one tried removing all of the info from the Personality section on the Fuka page and replaced it with one word. I already reverted the vandalism so it is up to you to block him.DragoniteX1 (talk) 02:44, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Another vandal has shown up today. This one created the Barbara page, putting false infomation and many swear words in it. Another wikia contributor deleted the vandalism from the page, leaving a blank page. It's up to you to block the vandal who originally created the page.DragoniteX1 (talk) 00:10, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Today, a vandal put false infomation on the Fenrich page. I've removed the vandalism, so all you have to do is block him, just all other vandals.DragoniteX1 (talk) 02:35, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Another vandal has shown up. This one created the Hero of Justice page and only put the word "penis" in it. You know what to do, delete the page and block him as usual.DragoniteX1 (talk) 22:57, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

There is a vandal today that vandalized the Gig page by typing random letter sequences and words. I already reverted the vandalism so all that's left is to block him from doing it again.DragoniteX1 (talk) 11:59, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

This is urgent. Today, there is a vandal who is deleting all the content from multiple pages and replacing them with "A Mysterious Message comes out of nowhere". He needs to be blocked ASAP.DragoniteX1 (talk) 20:15, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Another urgent message, that vandal you blocked earlier today is back and he is using a different IP Address. Extra steps should be taken to block this vandal to prevent him from vandalizing.DragoniteX1 (talk) 23:11, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Today, a vandal created a junk page named "Miabel" with only two words which are "fart nuggets". You know what to do, delete the page and block the vandal as usual.DragoniteX1 (talk) 15:32, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

There is a vandal that has recently created a junk page called Asagi Wars: Vengence of Asagi but only contains random letters/words that are not relevant. Like with every other vandal, just block the vandal and delete the junk page.DragoniteX1 (talk) 13:13, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Today, a new vandal made a junk page about Dual Giant Magichange with no relevant info. You know what to do, delete the page and block the vandal.DragoniteX1 (talk) 04:35, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

A new vandal has created a junk page called "ALONE FALAK" with no signifigance whatsoever. Like all other vandals, delete the junk page and block the vandal.DragoniteX1 (talk) 15:29, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

There have been these vandals vandalizing the Fenrich page lately. You know what to do, block them and I'll revert the changes made by them.DragoniteX1 (talk) 16:51, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Just today, there is another vandal that has vandalized the Fenrich page with similar vandalism comparable to the other vandals blocked recently. I've already reverted the vandalism, so all that's left is to block the vandal.DragoniteX1 (talk) 21:30, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Different Language Edits
I noticed recently, there has been a couple of wikia contributers that have been adding info to a couple of pages in a different language(Spanish,etc.). Another wikia contributer also changed the name of the "Blessed Court" stage to Elegant Dungeon(maybe that is a translation from another language). Anyways, for non-English contributions, should it be translated into English(with Google Translate), or removed especially if it is irrelevant for that page?DragoniteX1 (talk) 01:18, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've just been removing it personally.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:05, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

HD Sprites
hi OtherArrow,I've thinking about the classes and I saw that the majority classes in disgaea 4 doesn't have His sprites and I guess if you can put on,because I can upload "only the necessaries".Sorry if I say something wrong or if this isn't necessary.DarkWarriorFear (talk) 20:35, January 22, 2013 (UTC)DarkWarriorFear

Hi again,also I added Gig's age and you can remove the "Time to clean up the earth"
 * If you have needed sprites, upload them.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:49, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Question about Articles for Characters outside of Disgaea
Alright, I have question about articles about characters that appear in other Nippon Ichi games but not Disgaea. Recently, a wikia contributor added the Castile article and I pretty sure she does not appear in Disgaea. In fact, this guy has been copying and pasting info from other pages in his edits. The Castile article was actually copied and pasted from the Phantom Brave Wiki. Should we delete this article since Castile has never appeared in Disgaea and the fact that its already on Phantom Brave Wiki?DragoniteX1 (talk) 17:12, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is the rule: Do they appear in Disgaea? Yes: They get a page. No: They don't. That simple. Well, OK, characters who only cameo like Valvolga and Alexander are more of a grey area, but still.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:14, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Evilties list
The information on the evilties age was very necessary don't go and delete useful information. If you dont like how it looks change it and if you read the notes you would know I was gunna post it without the names I asked for more to it I couldn't get the tables to work so others will have to finish it
 * First off, sign your post. There is a notice on top of every talk page telling you to do it. I don't know who the hell you are otherwise. Secondly, you were adding Evilities exclusive to specific classes, and not even noting which class got them to boot. That is not only redundant, but also confusing. How is any reader going to know what class gets what just reading the list? They don't know what "Tier 1, Level 1" means, because no class is specified.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:34, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

The title of the page is List of disgaea 4 evilties don't you think class/character specific ones should be included on such a page?

I understand tht the names are not included but couldnt that be added in later its better to have a list of something rather than nothing
 * If they are to be included, we need to know what class actually gets them. As it is now, the information is useless, as it lacks that context. I feel that is much more important than just listing them for completion's sake: having the information actually be useable. (On another note, you can just copy/paste the code from the first half of the page. That's what I do when I need to duplicate fancy tables). Tell you what, how about you post a "sample" of your table here on my talk page, and I will see what I can do on making it usable, OK? Forgive me for my rudeness.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:59, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well im new to wiki editing so im not quite sure how to  reply to this im just clicking edit for the time being but most of the information was copied from this wiki itself I made some few alterations to it though. I copied it into excel so it has the nice colors and borders and what not but upon pasting it onto the page it kinda removed it all so it was left with just text. If we can just add the tables to it it would look ice again and the stuff at the bottom was taken from elsewhere just needs to be put in the same fashion as the others and added tables I didnt get into the names bcause it was already very time staking just cpying the evilties themselves thats why I posted the note for people to add it in later its still useful information
 * So, in other words, you just copy pasted the info from the class pages themselves, put them into Excel, then pasted the Excel table onto the page. Oh dear. Well, I got an idea. I am going to post a sample of the expected table here, which, if it fits your liking, you can pasted on the page and fill in with the info for the class Evilities. I wouldn't try copy pasting again though.

So how is that? Also, what did I say about signing talk page posts?--Otherarrow (talk) 02:16, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well see in excell it looks exactly like that it compied the tables into excell problem was the tables dont show up when pasted Im working on adding names right now and editing the bottom stuff to the tables If there is a way to send you the file that would be great so you could see it for yourself.LightningZombie (talk) 02:27, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * No no no no. Don't worry about Excel. Forget Excel. You will have to do your table making and such on the page itself if you want the table to stay. Now, is the table I made satisfactory? You never answered me there.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:29, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes the table is satisfactory problem is now I am unsure How I am to take it and use it, also I do not have 100% of the information I will need to put question marks till someone fills it out in some places.LightningZombie (talk) 02:35, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * You copy the code I put up there (you can see it in the editing mode), you paste it on the page. When you need more rows, you copy the bit starting with "bgcolor" and ending with " |- " and past it before the closing thing (the " |} "). It's not rocket science. As for missing info, yeah, just do the question marks and I will do my best.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:39, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright well I will have to wait till the page is unlocked before anything thoughLightningZombie (talk) 02:44, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I already unlocked the page.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:50, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I am going to use the same format as the character pages because as it would be nice to just have row after row people willl want to see the names first so this what it will look like. with of course the name aligned left but for some reason wont let me here


 * Android

LightningZombie (talk) 03:02, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you are going to sort them by class, then you can just copy/paste them from the class pages there, as long as you put them under the header as you did there. So, go ahead I guess?--Otherarrow (talk) 03:09, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Do the colors matter? Some people made the tables diferent colors.LightningZombie (talk) 03:19, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Colors do matter. The colors are by game. The colors on the tables here should be the D4 colors.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:21, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, well then some of the links on this page must be either place holders or linked to the wrong page. Makes this job that much harder.
 * http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Disgaea_4_ClassesLightningZombie (talk) 03:31, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Pardon? All the pages in that category are correct.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:33, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Xenolith
Uh, I saw that you edited Xenolith, sure, please, if anyone have information about him, post in his new page, despite he is the final boss of Disgaea D2: A Brighter Darkness. I have the Cut-In's, but not the HD Sprite, if someone add.....
 * How can I have info for a game not out in English? I was just doing clean up.--Otherarrow (talk) 11:22, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Apology accepted.
I literally just made a profile for editing to help my favorite wikis out, and I know practically nothing about how things work around here.

But I don't hold any hard feelings or anything, don't worry. Also, thank you for being so polite. I just want to spread knowlegde to others. I didn't realize how sloppy they were until now.

I don't really know my way around that well ^_^"

And sorry if I sound rude, today isn't the best day for me.

Omnitrixter23 (talk) 21:10, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. You had several sections that were empty or literally just left from the "default" page template...which I think is Oasis exclusive? Anyway, if you don't have anything to put in those sections, just delete them. As for the general format, just look around at similar pages and see what they are doing.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:17, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Little Questions
Hello Otherarrow, Umbra here...I wanted to ask...it will be usefull if I also add the release date of Disgaea Dimension 2 for Europe, or it will be only a waste of space....? I wanted to ask this because I tought that maybe people from Europe like me also will appreciate to know the realease date for their country....especially if they are too lazy for searching it by themself....=_____=

I also wanted to ask another question...I found (or better made in a more usefull size) some cut-ins of some NPC of Disgaea 3. (like Toro, Kuro and so on....) Can they be usefull for the wikia...?

Ok, I'm done...Thank you for your time.

-Umbra
 * If you know the release date for Europe, add it! Go ahead! As for cut ins, yeah, add them too! You don't have to ask my permission to contribute.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:35, July 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you...I just wanted to be sure...I'll will upload the cut-ins then (If there isnt a page for the
 * character in question then I'll only upload them in the wikia's galllery)...
 * Thank you agin for you time....X)
 * -Umbra

Game Guide App
Hi, Otherarrow!

I'm going to be working on the site tomorrow in an effort to build an entry for our Game Guide App. As such, there may be some tweaking of the category structure that would result in better flow on the site and allow a cleaner app interface. Keep in mind that admins have access to the app page in case you might want to change anything around later.

Once I'm finished, I'll let you know which categories are being used for the app and make a forum post letting regular users know. It hopefully won't take very long; if you've got any questions, please don't hesitate to poke me.

Best regards, Raylan13 ( talk ) 23:22, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Didn't you do something similar for the Megami Tensei Wiki? Yeah, you did. And it was mostly harmless. So this too should be mostly harmless. I still have no idea just what is going on, but as long as it doesn't negatively affect the wiki, I don't care.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:29, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The app work is finished. I put up a forum post about it here. If you've got any questions, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Raylan13 ( talk ) 00:35, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Mainpage Tweaks / D2 Content
Hey Otherarrow, it's Doug from Wikia's Community Development Team. With the upcoming release of Disgaea D2, I was wondering if I had permission to give the wiki a few cosmetic tweaks, including updating the wiki skin, adding gallery/featured article & video/ blog list/etc to the mainpage. Is that alright with you? Anything you'd like to see added or altered?

I know D2 has been out in Japan since March, but do you need any help adding content from the game into the wiki? I can set some time aside to do a big content push to help once the game comes out in the US. Any particular categories from the new game that'll need that attention?

Thanks and have a good one!

Doug (profile)•(talk)•(email) 23:43, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be messing with the main page, at least, not radically. I personally think that it's fine the way it is. For example, we don't have a featured article, and just adding one just for the sake of having one doesn't really make sense, since we have nothing set up to accommodate such a thing (I have been really inactive here, I'm sorry. I am not really in a Disgaea mood at the moment. ._.) The rest, well, sure, but let's see how it goes.
 * As for the DD2 content, well sure! Any help is appropriated! I am not sure how much attention the wiki articles on it will get once the game comes out, but if you can get some content brewing, go ahead. I wouldn't know about what categories would need attention though. Probably classes. Disgaea 3 and 4 are still kinda lacking there.
 * Again, I am really sorry that I haven't done much recently. I've been at least checking in, but my motivation beyond that is fairly low at the moment.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:11, August 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * No need to apologize, man! I'll probably rearrange the mainpage slighty, I'll keep it simple. How would you feel if I added some visual elements to the nav boxes? Small icons next to the links would look nice. Also, I made a skin, take a look at my sandbox and let me know if you approve it on here. It's scaled to accommidate smaller and large screens.


 * I'll get my hands on the copy of the game and see what I can do content wise! Might be able to chip in some help on the other games too. I'll keep you updated, have a good one! Doug (profile)•(talk)•(email) 21:34, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * By navbox, do you mean the navigation templates? I am not sure if stuff needs adding to that in terms of visuals, I don't see other wikis with such things. We always had a problem where they didn't work quite right for some reason. We got it so they at least collapse properly, but the show/hide button is on the wrong side. I dunno. Or do you mean something else that I am not familiar with?
 * Hmm. The background seems a bit too large. Most of the image gets cut off, at least on my screen.
 * Oh, that would nice. You play (or at least plan to play) Disgaea then? Either way, thanks a lot for offering to help out.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:27, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Eclair Artwork
Got it up! Kimlasca warrior (talk) 00:47, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. I will see if I can work with setting up the Eclair page. One sec...--Otherarrow (talk) 00:49, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Say, did you seriously need to take out all the pics I posted? They were good, and they were not fakes! Unless you want to upload them with better quality? These were prototypes of the characters that the creators were thinking of before they settled for the designs we know and love, they could stay in their gallery.
 * Who are you and what are you talking about again? Sign your posts with --~ please.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:22, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Vandal
Hey, can you do something about this user who keeps replacing pages with a stock message? Thanks!! Kimlasca warrior (talk) 20:47, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Front Page
Heya, can you add The Guided Fate Paradox and The Witch and The Hundred Knight to the front page under the related games? Kimlasca warrior (talk) 20:31, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Other Game Character Articles
Hey, just curious regarding the scope for this wiki. Regarding the other games, should character articles be made only for the characters that actually appear in the Disgaea games? Kimlasca warrior (talk) 20:15, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's the scope. You have to be in Disgaea to get in. I made a list of what fits under our scope, but it's probably a tad bit outdated due to DD2.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:24, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alrighty then, gotcha. Maybe add Plume to that list too. Much thanks for the clarification! Kimlasca warrior (talk) 03:26, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Blue Mage/Green Mage/etc..
Heya, Disgaea D2 actually uses a different system for that I believe. Whereas before Blue Mage and Green Mage were initially unlocked jobs and had differing magics based on color, they are now obtained via leveling up and are now respective tiers. This is because you can now choose the Element Forte of the Red Mage to either be Fire, Wind or Water so she can specialize in magics other than her standard Fire magic. I got Priest and Healer from what was mentioned in-game. Kimlasca warrior (talk) 23:56, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Really? Weird. Wonder why they did that? Anyway, you sure? Because in actual gameplay, Priest is a Female tier, not a Male one. Of course, Disgaea 3 had them as Cleric and Clergy (...uhh) in places, but Healer and Healer in others, so I'd take such things with a grain of salt unless it's for a completely new class. Most of the returning classes, we know what they are, and trying to assign them to a new name (especially if it's a name more associated with the opposite gender) is just troublesome. Guh. I wish they'd just pick a name and settle on it.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:58, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Beats me, guess it's just a change of pace? And yup, I have the game. Can confirm that the Male Healer is definitely listed as Priest in this game and Female Healer is Healer. I understand what you mean but that's just how they did it this time around. Haha, yeah. Maybe they'll be more consistent by the next game. :P Kimlasca warrior (talk) 00:07, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what I'd do is wait for consistent name usage, like with the Valkyrie. With the Male Healers, we got Male Healer, Clergy, Priest, Cleric, Heretic (the last two for the folks who refer to entire classes by the first tier), and none of them used twice. Confusing. Also, are the dude angels really just "Male Angel"? Because I feel kinda weird having the chicks being "Celestial Host" and the dudes being "Angel".--Otherarrow (talk) 00:13, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * The female Celestial Host is now called Female Angel and yep, the new male angel is just called Male Angel. Kimlasca warrior (talk) 00:16, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * So what do we call the class as a whole? The female has been referred to as Celestial Host in every other appearance, but the Male is just Male Angel. Do we call it Angel? Do we call it Male Angel despite the female counterpart being Celestial Host? My head. ._. (Personally, I was expecting a fancy "says the same thing as Celestial Host but in a different way" name for the Male Angel, like Divine Herald or something.)--Otherarrow (talk) 00:28, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, just use the Celestial Host class as another name for the Female Angels and Male Angel can be its own article? They're separate classes, still. Just treat it like female-male counterparts (i.e. the skulls & magic girls). Lol, I expected more flavor text as well than rather simply just Male and Female. Kimlasca warrior (talk) 00:39, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I guess that is all we can do really. Thanks.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:55, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Coefficients Disgaea D2
Hey, hey! I found a chart for DD2 that lists the amounts of HL, EXP and Mana each character can get per killing blow right here. Do you think it should be added to the job template for DD2? Kimlasca warrior (talk) 01:31, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course! Go right ahead!--Otherarrow (talk) 02:22, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

DISGAEA D2
So, how many years does DISGAEA D2 takes place after the first and before the second? Gomez6 (talk) 19:31, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * According to Harada, it takes place the same year as Disgaea 2, but before the events of the game, as all of their ages are listed as the same as in Disgaea 2 but Laharl and co don't recognize Adell and co in their cameos.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:44, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but, whose Harada? I only recently got into the game when I bought the DS port of the first game a few days ago. Gomez6 (talk) 20:57, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * He's the artist for the series. Drew Pleinair? He is pretty much the only real life person associated with the series who anyone can name.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:01, December 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, okay, I know who he is, just not can't remember his name. When he say this? Gomez6 (talk) 21:03, December 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think in the intro of D2 it says it takes place "a few years" after the first game. Kirpow (talk) 21:33, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we know how many years D2 is from D1. As for where he said this, I think it was an artbook for DD2. He posted their ages as the same as in D2.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:29, December 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay. Thank you for your time. Gomez6 (talk) 22:35, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Question: Where can I find a legendary Cosmic Blade? Gomez6 (talk) 14:45, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * How should I know? Just go where you find normal Cosmic Blades and do that stage over and over until a Legendary one pops up.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:46, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, that was kinda blunt, but, okay. Thanks for your time. Gomez6 (talk) 14:49, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Sicily's Species
I edited Sicily's species to say "Demon/Human/Angel" and you changed it back to "Demon/Angel". If the angel bits cancel out the human bits, why do the demon bits stay? Is it because she would have been a demon if not an angel? If her mother didn't do what she did, Sicily would have been a demon from her father's side and a human from her mother's, right? But since her mother was technically an angel until she gave those abilites to Sicily, Sicily became a demon-angel. I pretty much answered my own questions, but I just wanted to confirm. Have you played/beaten DD2? Kirpow (talk) 23:39, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, sorry. I haven't had the chance. I just picked up a few things. I don't think she is ever referred to as human though. Her father is a demon, and her mother is dead. Lamington making her into an angel was to make up for her mother being dead and unable to give birth to her, so I'd think angel would replace human but not demon. ...Personally, I think the Sicily thing is silly all over, but there you go. Sorry.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:11, December 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't be sorry, it's not like that's a bad thing. But it's something to look forward to if you do get it. Yeah, I don't think so either and I've beaten the game, but it's just something that I assumed because her mother was human. I'm pretty sure in-game, it states the reason for Sicily's being born as an angel is because her mother was given the option to become and angel because of he selfless sacrifice for Laharl, but she refused and gave Sicily life (as an angel). If it's not exaclty that, it's something along those lines. Sicily is a silly character, but she's likeable. No need to be sorry, thanks for trying to help. Kirpow (talk) 01:49, December 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * What Disgaea games have you played/beaten? Kirpow (talk) 02:08, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've played the main 4, and beaten all but D2 out of those.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:25, December 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * So you're knowledge in the series is extensive then. But you don't own D2. Shame. I downloaded Hour of Darkness from the PlayStation Store and I have enough money to get the second one, since I've played those two maybe a third through but I haven't beaten them. Out of 3 and 4, which would you recommend? I hear 4 is better, but I haven't played either. Kirpow (talk) 15:44, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4. 4 a thousand times. Disgaea 4 is probably the best game in the whole series IMO.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:27, December 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Thanks for the input, I'll take your word for it and get 4. Until then, DD2 is the game I know most about. Kirpow (talk) 15:44, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

B.A.G-GOMEZ
Hey, do you know how to soft-reset DISGAEA DS? Gomez6 (talk) 23:15, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't have a DS, so sorry.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:22, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Aw... Well, thanks anyway, sir. Gomez6 (talk) 23:24, December 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey, if anyone gets killed by the Alt. Overlord in Episode 6 before helps arrives, does that count as an ally kill and will I get the normal ending? Gomez6 (talk) 09:54, December 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * ...Why would it be an ally kill? The Alt. Overlord isn't an ally. Unless you killed them yourself, then yeah, probably an ally kill.--Otherarrow (talk) 12:32, December 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, see, I was confused on what an ally kill was, because I thought it was any of my characters getting killed overall. Gomez6 (talk) 13:32, December 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * If Laharl gains the Tyrant title in the first game, does his aptitude become 250 like Baal, or does it stay 100?Gomez6 (talk) 20:56, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I never heard of his aptitudes changing. I think it just affects Dark Assembly stuff.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:42, January 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * I found artwork for Laharl in an upcoming NIS videogame: Gomez6 (talk) 02:50, January 24, 2014 (UTC)Laharl_crown_2_4898.png
 * OK, and? What game is this? What is the context of Laharl's appearance. You got to give me more to work with!--Otherarrow (talk) 02:51, January 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's called Bikkuriman Kanjyuku Haoh. I don't know much about it excecpt it's for the 3DS and will revolve appearently around stickers and the StreetPass feature. From the looks of it, Laharl will once again be the (or one of the) main character(s). Valvatorez & Etna are there too.  Gomez6 (talk) 03:09, January 24, 2014 (UTC)Bikkuriman_Kanjyuku_Haoh.jpg

Image Gallery
Hey, hey! What do you think of this format for the image galleries? We can put in more of the unused images without worrying about the page stretching too long! Kimlasca warrior (talk) 00:41, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oooh. Looks fancy and organized! I like it! It even looks not that hard to use, looking at the code (of course, watch me screw it up multiple times anyway).--Otherarrow (talk) 00:44, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Haha, awesome! No worries, it's definitely fool-proof. xD Alrighty then, I'll implement it on the other pages. Kimlasca warrior (talk) 00:49, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Metallia Nendoroid Up For Grabs
Hey Otherarrow! Wikia recently attended an NIS America event and got an extra Meallia Nendoroid figure. You interested in it? We can send it to ya for free, if you are. Send me an email at doug@wikia-inc with your first and last name and address and it'll appear on your doorstep. Up to you! Have a good one TheBlueRogue (profile)•(talk)•(email) 17:56, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Affiliation with Hyperdimension Neptunia wiki
Hello there. I hope I'm not bothering you, but I am the founder of the Hyperdimension Neptunia wiki. I am here to request an affiliation between the two our wikis due to their games sharing the same localization company. If you respond postively to this then I will list you under an "Affiliates" header on the main page as well as on an Affiliates page. You can have us listed on your wiki in whatever way you feel most comfortable with. ~Purple Heart~ (talk) 17:06, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh sure thing! I have no problem with that! (Of course, I am dumb and have no idea how I'd list you guys here). Let's keep up the good work!--Otherarrow (talk) 17:28, March 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * LOL. It's simple really. There a several ways you can do it such as making an affiliates header on the home page and placing the wordmark (the little logo image that appears on every page in the upper left hand corner) under it. However, if you don't feel comfortable doing that you can edit the wiki navigation and make a "Affiliates" section under the community tab, linking to my wiki. I will be doing both for yours. ~Purple Heart~ (talk) 20:35, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't make the main page, so I feel I shouldn't be messing with it, sorry. But sure, I'll try the wiki navigation thing. Sorry for the trouble.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:40, March 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's no trouble at all. Thank you for agreeing to work with us on this. I appreciate it. ~Purple Heart~ (talk) 20:43, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, done. I probably screwed up in at least ten different places, so sorry for the trouble.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:01, March 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's quite alright. You're now listed on my wiki as well. Thank you again. ~Purple Heart~ (talk) 21:45, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Sicily's Race
She was concieved as a Demon/Human hybrid just like Laharl was as she was the daughter of Krichevskoy and Gwen (Laharl's mother whatever you wanna call her). So essentially before Gwen's death she was a Demon/Human and after Gwen's death she became an angel thanks to Seraph Lamington. So she is a pure-blooded angel but she was called the Demon Angel because the Celestian's knew she was the daughter of the Overlord but never knew the identity of Sicily's mother. Thus everyone (even Sicily) believed she was a Demon/Angel hybrid when really she was a Human/Demon hybrid that was turned into an angel by Seraph Lamington. FuyuhikoKuzuryu (talk) 05:09, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * She was never born as a Demon/Human. I haven't played DD2, admittingly, but from what I've been told by people who have, when she was "born" as an angel, she retained her Demon status, and the Angel recreation just replaced the Human. Hense, Demon Angel. But regardless of which is right, she was technically never a Demon/Human because she was never born as such. (Also, don't make up names for unnamed characters. Officially, Laharl's Mother is just Laharl's Mother or Big Sis Prinny.)--Otherarrow (talk) 13:09, August 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah I get where you're coming from with it and from playing it I don't recall it saying she retained her demon status but maybe I just overlooked it and you are correct and I'm wrong.
 * Also I didn't make up that name. Gwen is the name that Laharl's mother is given in the light novels. FuyuhikoKuzuryu (talk) 14:41, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong too. Remember, second hand info.
 * Also, the light novels aren't canon, and if I recall, include a lot of weird stuff, such as angels being able to genderflip at will, Baal being reduced to comic relief, Laharl having douchey relatives, and (relevant to this conversation), Laharl's Mom actually being in love with a human adventurer and ended up with King K partly against her will. Shrug. This is also secondhand info as well, so eh.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:29, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Affiliation with Trinity Universe Wiki
Hi, I'm from the Trinity Universe Wiki and was wondering if you'd be willing to add an affiliation link to that site. I've already added a link to here since, as you probably already know, the game is a crossover between Gust's Atelier series and Disgaea. The site hasn't been actively edited in a long time, but I see a fair number of people are still using it for reference, and I'm starting to a bit of maintenance on the aging beast now. Anyway, I hope you'll consider it and look forward to hearing back from you.

Coax75ohm (talk) 17:28, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, sure thing, of course! You got a link?--Otherarrow (talk) 18:23, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Disgaea D2 Categories
I just wanted to point out that the nav bar needs to be updated to point to the Disgaea D2 info, http://imgur.com/WnudMMQ This will help to figure out what is missing and have a more collective place for into. Thanks :) Mur (talk) 20:38, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I use Monobook, so I don't know anything about the Oasis navbar, nor how to edit it. Sorry! If you can figure something out, be sure to shoot it my way!--Otherarrow (talk) 21:20, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * EDIT:I managed to figure it out and I have answered your request. Thanks!--Otherarrow (talk) 21:26, August 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks Great job :) Mur (talk) 20:50, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

Searchability - Classes / Tiers
From what I see it is pretty difficult to find content and what confuses me is that you have already a spot with a lot of this information already but in very inconvenient placement. such as... http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Disgaea_D2 http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Disgaea_D2_Classes

If we copied it to a better spot and made it a bit easier to read that would help find content. (front page?)

Also from what I see that we have a pretty poor naming convention for our tier / classes / base page for classes. For example if I go to the categories page for classes (http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Disgaea_D2_Classes) I can see about 186 (and I am sure that is missing some) entries. Right now when a new classes is added we just add it without the game prefix (such as http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Male_Angel ) and it starts getting confusing if that should be a base page, a class page or sometimes a tier page.

What I think we should do is break it down so it is easily understood, I will use Warrior as an example.


 * The base page is where all the games show the general info about the warrior from all Disgaea games: http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Warrior
 * The Class page is broken down per game so an example could be "Disgaea_D2:Class-Warrior" : http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Warrior_(Disgaea_D2)
 * The Tier page would be broken down under the class, ex "Disgaea_D2:Tier-Gladiator" : http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Gladiator_(Disgaea_D2)

One of the reason I am suggesting these is because as that future Disgaea games will compound the issues with searching for content and they are both big changes that I can't implement on my own and would need a bit of planning.

Let me know if you need anything or want to talk more you can send me an email here: http://imgur.com/tpZjiCg (please delete link after) Mur (talk) 20:39, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I am pretty sure we already do it that way. We have Warrior in general, then Warrior in the specific game, then in tiers. Recurring tiers get disambigs. I will admit, I have no idea what you are saying here. Most of what you are talking about doesn't make any sense to me.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:52, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Updating Home Page in reflection of Disgaea 5 PS4 Announcement
You may or may not heard this already, but Disgaea 5 has been recently announced for PS4 at the pre-TGS 2014 conference. It is stated to release in 2015 for PS4. I was wondering if you could update the home page to reflect these recent news. There hasn't been any other information so far, so my guess is that they will unveil more information at the actual TGS 2014 conference and hopefully we can get a page on this wiki for Disgaea 5. DragoniteX1 (talk) 12:55, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

I would like to help!
My name is BarbaraPrinny on this wika and Xraypikmin on the Pikmin Wika, I saw that this Wikia has been having trouble with consitant posts, and new infromation. I would like to lend my help. I have been playing disgaea for two years, and I understand Japanese pretty well. I have been translating the Disgaea 5 website and added a few new classes such as the Fairy, Maid, and a few others. I would like to hellp in any way.

BarbaraPrinny (talk) 19:32, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Most of your pages suffer from poor grammar and formatting and quite frankly, I can only barely understand what they are even about. Please clean up your grammar and double check your sources and the formatting used on other class pages when recreating those pages. If we don't even know what you are talking about, we can't exactly help fix it up. ^^;;--Otherarrow (talk) 21:49, February 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Wow, I cannot believe you just went and destroyed my hard work. I thought I could help with this dieing Wika and then you just shut me out of the the door. You did not need to delete the pages. It took me a long time to translate the Japanese from the Japanese website. You should not push people away that only want to help.
 * BarbaraPrinny (talk) 01:38, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Because, again, poor grammar and formatting, and I could only understand what they are even about due to the page title (and even then, only just). It looks pretty bad when there are typos in the title of the article and the rest is even more unreadable. I've gone ahead and recreated the salvageable articles and done my best to spruce things up, but I admit, I dunno what I can do with limited knowledge on a new game. And my apologizes, when I see a bunch of seemingly redundant articles with poor spelling, I tend to delete on sight (for example, I thought we had a Maid article already, and the Dark Knight and Fairy(?) had typos in the titles). It won't happen again, just take care to proofread, OK? I don't mean to discourage you, I apologize for the trouble.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:54, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

So what is going to happen to may pages that where still being worked on? I spent the last couple of days translating from the Disgaea.jp/5 I was still refining the translations due to the game comeing out in March. I see a lot of foot traffic for the site, and it is most likely due to fans wanting more information. I just wanted to help, since I can read japanese. I was still working on the pages, and I even said in comments of the pages that I needed help with the formating need of the Disgaea Wikia, I have worked on the Pikmin Wikia for two years, doing the same thing. I will admit that the pikmin format is different that this site. I asked for help, and my work was revoked. what is the next step now?

BarbaraPrinny (talk) 02:42, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I restored the Dark Knight and Maid pages and cleaned them up, and did likewise for the Pirate page. Just recreate any other missing pages (preferably with fitting names now) and I will do my best to help you get them into order. I did not notice the comments in the pages, I apologize. Again, this is the problem with my rashness sometimes. Just keep doing what you have been doing, and I will do my best to help out however I can. The next step, now that we have worked out the misunderstanding, is to keep moving of course! Welcome!--Otherarrow (talk) 02:45, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Learning about CSS here
Ok, this seems... insufficiently related to the MOS discussion (insofar as the CSS part isn't... strictly MOS related?). So hi! I googled a bunch of things and found... some things. I don't fully understand, but, apparently since you are all adminy, there's some kind of Admin Portal Page you can access, and it will have a link to 'MediaWiki:Wikia.css', which I think is the 'local' CSS for this specific wikia site. There's also 'MediaWiki:Common.css', which it kinda looks like Yuanchosaan took some stabs at editing, but I think common.css is supposed to be a more... higher-level file? Possibly, editing wikia.css will be sufficient, although if it were me, I'd try to remove the stuff that's in wikia.css out of common.css, just to prevent conflict. I would like to add the disclaimer that I am not 100% positive about what common.css and wikia.css govern, but: the flawed code is in both files, so fixing both should totally fix the problem.

And just to make this more awesome, there's also some CSS coming into play from some file I haven't found yet. The whole 'table header cells don't listen to class=' is actually a product of 'class=wikitable' at the top of tables, sooo... ugh, I can't even think where to start unraveling this. It just depends on what the goals are. Widespread visual conformity within this wiki? 'Good enough' conformity? More nitty-gritty information? Like... what next, you know? What's the goal? Heh. I'd choose 'ensure visual conformity,' but wow, way to start small, manageable, and achievable, amirite? SannaSK (talk) 23:10, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello! Thanks for getting back to me! I made the appropriate changes to both files, and if things aren't coming in right, feel free to tell me.
 * I just want it to work. Visual conformity is a start. Yeah, start small and manageable and work our way up. It's been my motto, and it's worked out so far, yeah? (well, probably not, seeing the state of the wiki. ^^;;)--Otherarrow (talk) 00:35, February 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh my gooooooooooosh. After hours (not exaggeration) of googling (pretty sure Firefox hates me for how many tabs I have open right now), and finally installing Firebug extension... I finally found the class=wikitable stuff that's causing the uncolored-heading thing. But despite that minorly-massive victory (I mayyy have done a victory chair-dance), that's not actually what I'm here for at the moment. Mostly my question right now is: what is your definition of 'visual conformity'? Because to me, right now that primarily means, "every single table that performs a given function, across any game, looks as similar as possible." So like... Angel (Disgaea) uses Template:Disgaea Job Stats, and the talk for that has a note from Yuanchosaan saying "I should probably make game-specific versions of this template, yes..." Apparently she only got as far as transcluding it into that one page. Seems everything else uses Template:Job Stats.
 * ..........So... I'm actually quite confidant that, if everything were done correctly, I can get one template (probably in the end, Job Stats) to function for every single game, and sufficiently-automatically colorize it according to the game. The one drawback is, it would require an additional piece of parameter-data that would have to be inserted into every page that calls the template. But the end result would be a very high degree of visual conformity across the site. This process can be done for everything that calls any kind of template; the end result of that is that any casual editor that wants to add new data does not have to mess with or worry about if they're getting the 'look' of the table to be in line with the rest of the site.


 * The drawback to the above plan is... in the end, either you're about to learn a lot of CSS and/or copy-paste a bunch of stuff I give you, or, I would need to be a short-term admin (or whatever), so I can access the .css files myself. And I've been here less than a week, so that latter option is rather hilarious to suggest right now. I'm going to figure out how to do a bunch of test cases, because I can make sub-pages under my own user page, yes? So I'll figure out how to show you how this will work, before I ask you to start replacing a bunch of CSS and messing with actual site-wide templates and stuff. It can be done. Probably not without a lot of intervening headaches X D and a lot of small edits to a vast quantity of pages ... X D;;;;;;... but it can be done. So... yeah... I'll go get started... (If there's a way to keep all the edits I'm about to do under user/me out of the 'recent changes' list, let me know... Otherwise I apologize in advance for the incoming spam to that page...)
 * SannaSK (talk) 16:59, February 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's OK. Whatever you need to do. It'd take a lot of little work, but it's worth it to have everything uniform and working properly. When I have the free time, I will gladly do what I need to do. Check in when you need me to do something to start!--Otherarrow (talk) 20:56, February 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * omggggggg... According to the time stamps, I appear to have spent four hours on #switches. (so...much......googling........) I would cry but I'm way too tired. X D I really do like coding stuff, but woww am I ready to be asleep. SHORT VERSION: please look at User:SannaSK/Sandbox, and if you're interested in the nitty-gritty code (or just want to see what I spent an obscene number of hours today doing) User:SannaSK/Template:Test and User:SannaSK/wikia.css . The boxes in Sandbox are truncated versions of the Job Stats template, and some elements are meant more for testing than for live-site usage. Current end result? It is 100% possible, and not too impossible, to turn every page that uses any of the several 'job stats' templates into using one template. Also, every story Character can feed off of one template. Also, every 'game map' page, one template. Color coded by game. Certain text options can vary by game (on sanna/sandbox, see how they have the game titles in the box at the top? that's the #switch at work), so if one game has some piece(s) of data that the others don't, we can include or exclude as desired. Everything that's the same thing, regardless of game... one template. One look. Site-wide.


 * And.... that thing I said earlier, about editing every page? Yep..... totally true. This will require the editing of every single page that's transcluded the given template. In order to get the 'game-specific color/text', the page pulling in the template needs to have a new piece of data added, that tells the template which 'game outfit' to use.


 * Soooo.... yeah. At what point do I pull the trigger and edit, say, Job Stats template (or start smaller with the Character templates or Map templates)... and then the quest to shift over evvvery Class(/character/map) page to use it begins? Whee... (and how to even keep track of which have been updated? o_0) (Also: if you go to the sannask/wikia.css, and copy -- not those top two lines about 'test-s1' or whatever -- but the large block beginning with .D1a, and paste that like before into the other two CSS files... it will not change anything that currently is on the site, but it has more info that the new templates will be looking for.) I'm probably not going to be at keys at all on Sat 14th, and unknown about Sun 15th. But yeah. It can be done. Just let me know what and when you want to do ^_^.
 * SannaSK (talk) 04:20, February 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * I updated the CSS files, so whenever you are ready. It's OK if you need to be away for a few days, just report back in when you are ready to start. It's a lot of work, but we'll pull through.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:29, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Class/Tier layout/consolidation
(New topic equals new section!)

Oh mannnnnnnnn. I was all ready to sit down and be like LES'DO'DISS and start with Job Stats... and then some anonymous edited Prinny (Disgaea 4) with the doods. I went and looked at the page and... now there's a reasonably-sized wrench in my plans. I mean, look at the beautiful tabber-ness going on. I read some talk page that you and some other person were on like 3 years ago, and the other person was like 'all tiers on one page' and you were like 'no, the multiple templates in close proximity are being a butt', and that's... ok yeah, I totes get that b/c when I was sandboxing the Job Stats fragment, it was doing weird stacking things when I had several too close together. But I was plotting a way around that, using basically a one-column table with invisible borders.... but this is so much better. This way, everything about a single class (per game) can be on a single page and not take ten screen-heights of space to show, haha. Instead of Celestial Host (Disgaea) linking to six separate pages, all those pages can be on a single page. Look at that Celestial Host page, and imagine this layout: under 'Tiers' would be a float-right tabber with all 6 tier's Job Stats (six callings for the template, one in each tab). The part where the chart with 'tier name | requirement' is now would hold series of 'reincarnation cost' charts (probably in the table cell where the 'requirement' is now). The 'requirement for next tier' data could get moved into the tabber, or maybe even stay where it is. A user goes to one page to get all the data about that Class that they want. Yeahhh streamlined \o/.

The one drawback I can see (and in my opnion it's not a drawback, but I mean in regards to established site style) is that, any given game's bottom-include Classes template (ie Template:Disgaea Classes ) would not really have individual links (ie, "Male Brawler - Male Pugilist - Male Fighter - Male Black Belt - Male Wushu Master - Male Eternal Fist", all would go to 'Male Brawler (Disgaea)' -- or be disambigs? in the case of like the Mage and Skulls and the monsters etc, where things with those names appear in multiple games). If nothing else, this makes the bottom-include not useful as a measuring stick for what tiers don't have inputted data -- i mean, i guess technically we just don't edit the template:dis_class for 'given tier' to make it link to 'game's-class as a whole' until given-tier's data has been input on game's-class page, and then temp:dis_class will still show the red links for what hasn't been done....

So ok, that's my pitch for 'consolidating all these individual tier pages into their game's-class page'. Pros: Streamlined user experience; we can keep the individual ones either as disambigs where necessary, and REDIRs for the others if we don't want to delete them. Cons... ohs nos the bottom-include template will be a tiny bit different. I mean, yeah ok I'm biased, so I'm having a hard time thinking of a really valid Con. So what do you think? Consolidation, yeah yeah?

Except... this anonymous editing the Prinny page and me looking at it... and the way the Haru template is laid out and /what/ data it includes and presents (and what data that's currently in JobStats that it doesn't)... makes me wonder just how different D3 and D4 and any other offshoot game is. I haven't played D4 yet, and I'm only like one hour into D3. I know D3 dispensed with Weapon Mastery, but I haven't even looked at how D4 is different. A unified table needs to be flexible enough to correctly display anything for any game; and I believe I can make it be so... I'm just trying to figure out how screwed I am that I didn't look up how stats work for anything beyond what I've played. The relevant question is: do I research more about the 'job stats' in D3/4/etc before we start editing everything? Or do we say, 'at the very least, the current incarnation of new-Job-Stats is good enough for D1&2&probably3 and therefore the remakes of those games, so let's just keep going with that for now and cross other bridges when we come to them'?

Also: now is a great opportunity to rename 'Job Stats' to something more relatedly descriptive, like maybe 'TierStats' (lack of spacebar intentional). I don't recall D1, but I don't think the word 'Job' is used in any game in relation to what this site is using it for. (The page that is currently 'Template:Disgaea Job Stats' could be renamed Template:TierStats, since the code in T:DJS is exactly what would go into T:TS.)

In less finicky news, I'm pretty confident that the unified Characters template is ready to be used (ie, to replace everything that says 'characters' in Category:Infobox_templates ). I'm unsure if we should overwrite 'Disgaea Characters' and input that into 2,3,4,d2,etc, or make a new page, maybe Template:DisgaeaStoryCharacters? But they're not all, strictly speaking, 'story' characters (unlockables/dlc =/= story?). Maybe I'm thinking about 'character' too literally (to me, if I make a 'male brawler,' now that's a 'character' in my game too -- but again, in my head vs site usage... site usage ought to win from time to time, lol). Template:DisgaeaUnifiedCharacter? That makes sense from a 'we're coding it now' point of view, not really for a year down the line when editors go 'what does 'unified' mean here...' Anyway - Characters is much less finicky than Job Stats, so is that worth doing and getting done? Unified Maps would also take me maybe an hour tops to set up and check.

So yeah, lots of questions... I'm sorry I keep critting you with walls of text : x. I just tend to err on the side of 'be really specific', rather than be too brief and allow uncertainties to creep in.

1 - Can we pretty please streamline all the individual tiers up into the game-class pages? I have a way to code it if you want each incarnation of the template to be visible at the same time, or I can go learn how to tabber-ize things. (Individual tier pages would be turned either into disambigs (prinny dis4 has some links that go to prinny tier pages for other games, and that's probably a somewhat-widespread issue) or REDIRs.)

2 - Can we rename T:DJS into Template:TierStats? (Vaguely related: if I were to put some text in Talk:Temp:DJS, and T:DJS gets renamed, does the talk get renamed too? ie, does anything in the talk 'stay put', or does it get lost?)

3 - Do we hold off on the Job/TierStats until I make sure it is correct for D4&etc? Or go ahead and do what we know it handles (d1, dd2, d2, pretty sure d3 is fine enough) and if D4&etc are really that different, I can put in some #ifs, later.

4 - Do we do Characters now? Rename Characters, or no? Shall I get a unified Maps template done before messing with Job/TierStats?

Well, I'll start working on unified Maps anyway while you... read all of this ;_; sorry again for so many words. SannaSK (talk) 17:38, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, lotta stuff.
 * You make a good argument for streamline the tiers into the game-class pages. Tabber will do for showing the templates, in that case. As for the class nav template....yeah, we can just change it, no biggy. I am really proud of the work we did for individual tier pages for D1, but none of the other pages have anywhere near that level of completion, and multiple unrelated folks have suggested just merging tiers into that game's class page, and...I don't really see the cons? I think, at most, certain Evilities require you to unlock up to a certain tier, but that's not much. With the tiers no longer needing their own page, I dunno if we should delete or redirect them though. I can see pros and cons to both options.
 * TierStats or maybe ClassStats, since there are classes that use it that don't have tiers. I think we have to manually move the talk pages too, but it's no problem. (As for the use of the term "Job", I think it's a carry over from the Final Fantasy Wiki, since Yuan did, and still does, edit there more prominently.)
 * I think holding off may not be nessicary. While D3 and D4 getting rid of Weapon Ranks, there is a loose equivalent, abit hidden, which determines how far up a weapon's skill list a chosen class can learn.
 * We can do characters now. I think, since most of the character templates have most of the same info, it'd be changing the template names at most. No need for "unified" since yeah, it'd only make sense to us.
 * (If we get this all done, I wonder what Yuan will think if she decides to randomly check in and see how much we've changed things. ^^;;)--Otherarrow (talk) 22:38, February 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yayyy streamlining Tiers \o/. Ok, many thoughts: 1 - since 'Class' (ie 'Celestial Host') and 'Tier' (ie 'Angel') have separate meanings... even though some Classes may not have Tiers, I think we should call it TierStats anyway. A Class with 'no' Tiers can be viewed as a Class with 'one' Tier. And ClassStats... "is it the stats of the Celestial Host? All 6 of them?" Ehh, I still vote for TierStats.
 * 2 - the more I look at, like you mention, D:HOD pages... there's a lot more in those Tier pages than just Stats: there's Reincarnation templates, Spell tables, 'unlocked at__' data. Tiers-into-Class-pages, yes, in the long run it can be done, Tabber can do it, and I can design it all templatey and visually unified. But... not right this second. In a literal sense, at best I could start that part tomorrow morning. In a slightly less literal sense, while I quite enjoy making these templates and everything, I'm itching to impliment SOMEthing X D rather than just keep templating, testing, googling, what's broken now, more testing, etc etc. Lol. I've done so much planning, now I want to DO!
 * Can you please hit up my User:SannaSK/wikia.css and do the replace-the-css again? Everything starting with slash-asterick over the .D1a block. I added more disver variables, to handle the spinoff/remake/whatever-else games.
 * Ok, you mentioned Characters, so I will rename the Character template to be not temporary, and start inputting it, so we can see what this looks like live ^_^. Of course... if I've done my job correctly, it won't truly look any different at all.... (The primary benefit of all this will come when making new pages, for D3,4,5, etc... less frustration at that time for someone inputting new-to-this-site data.)
 * I hope Yuan would be happy that we're shining everything up, what with a new game coming out sometime this year ^__^.
 * Yaaaaaaaaay progress organization everything will be shiny yaaay SannaSK (talk) 23:00, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * Good point on the distinction between Class and Tier. So yeah, TierStat it is.
 * Yeah, it's something that could be done...later. For now, yeah, let's get implimenting. One thing at a time, we don't want to get burnt out trying to do everything at once (I say, despite not doing any of the actual work. >_>)
 * Yeah, we can get started! Not bad if I do say! Thank you for all the help, and sorry that I've been lazy with keeping up with this Wiki. ^^;;--Otherarrow (talk) 23:40, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * EDIT:It just occured to me, but would we use the Series colors for characters who come from outside Disgaea? Currently, we put them in "game they first cameoed in", but that does seem kinda dishonest, you know?--Otherarrow (talk) 23:46, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * chars from outside the series... Like Priere? Just got to her. Yeah, I'll tag her as 'series'. That seems a reasonable balance. b^_^.
 * I'm looking at WhatLinksHere/Template:Disgaea_Characters, going down the list... pretty much all I do is copy the top two lines of T:DisChar and paste it over the top line, the template-call. So far, I haven't needed to alter any of the info actually in the page. That might change once I get to D2-etc... we'll see.
 * Apparently the code needed to get the desired result in my sandbox is not 100% the code to get the desired result in the rest of the site? How strange. Anyway, I fixed T:DisChar, I'll fix the Map. Do we want to both be working on Char, or one on Char and one on Map? SannaSK (talk) 00:21, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think we should get Char done first, but we should probably not be working on the same games. Like, you can do D1 and D2 while I do D3 and D4, for example. Gets it done faster, I feel. Good to know that you fixed the template's problems btw! Thanks again!--Otherarrow (talk) 00:48, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Woo progress! This is so great : D! Sooo, sorry to an interrupting lolnub, but can you repaste some CSS out of User:SannaSK/wikia.css again? I forgot a bunch of periods in front of some of the D's, aaaaand it turns out those are really important to making CSS work, haha. I tried to call class="D2-2" and there were no colors, but the game-name changed accordingly, and I went ".... riiiiight." Soo I promise after this, I should be done with the 'will you paste into CSS' for at least a couple days. Thank you~ - SannaSK (talk) 01:36, February 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, backing out to fewer colons.
 * sooo... Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Disgaea_Characters ... do we alter someone's userpage to be the new template, just so we can finally delete the old one? : o
 * just now saw your update note that says "Weird, the colors for the D4 set up ain't current. :\" - does inputting the CSS fix it? I look at it and it looks fine to me, but my personal CSS might be overriding the sidewide un-updated css?
 * I VFD'd 'dis 2 chars' template! Woo done! I'll start on the Dis D2 Chars. And oh right, I'll make sure new Map works too.
 * SannaSK (talk) 01:51, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Altered the css, yeah. The D4 colors still ain't right, but I might need my cache to clear. Everything else seems to be running smoothly.
 * Yeah, I think they will understand if we alter their userpage (if they even notice).
 * We are making progress! Thanks again for all of your help! You are doing good!--Otherarrow (talk) 02:13, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * I forgot about Disgaea D2, which has its own template, but not its own color scheme, sharing D1's. Carp. Sorry to bug you, but can you whip something up in the template for that? ._.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:19, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * I've been manually pasting ?action=purge onto page links when I want them redone. In my massive googling the last couple of days, I came across a thing that says as an admin, you can "Use c:dev:MassNullEdit" to ... force site-side cache purges of a lot of things, so maybe that helps here? If you start purging things and D4 colors are still not right, can you describe what's wrong? The CSS you've been pasting in should be setting it properly.
 * DisD2 - Blahhh yeah, the front page had it listed in such a way that made me think it was an 'other' game. I've updated the Char templ and the Map to have text for it. Next time you see my wikia.css pop up in the Recent Update page, copy-paste the D-block, I'll make sure DD2 stuff is in there. With proper dots X D.
 * I'll change whats-her-face's userpage just so we can VFD the D1 chars templ. After that, and after DD2, what Char pages are we missing? Any?
 * OH. MAPS, right so. D2 has the 'Dark Sun' stuff -- iiii admit I stopped playing after I beat the story so I haven't interacted with the Dark Sun stuff, but I've seen it pop up in a couple of the pages. Is that something we care to put in the Maps infobox? I can make the #ifs work (I should have beaten them into submission by now : < ) to hide those lines in game pages that don't have Dark Sun.
 * So, DD2 CSS, whatsherface userpage, vfd the empty templs... Prob at that point I'll have to go to bed. Lemme know your opinion on Dark Sun in the template, and I'll be back sometime Monday. Yaaay this is so fun : D!
 * SannaSK (talk) 02:36, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * My turn to back up on the colons. :P
 * I made another change that I think should solve the problem (since I don't use the Oasis/Wikia skin, but rather Monobook), we'll see how it goes. Are all the templates coming out right to you?
 * I did all the DD2 characters I could find, so unless there are folks who are not properly categorized/on the nav templates, we should be done with the character templates for now.
 * D3 and D4 have an equivalent to the Dark Sun called the X-Dimension. From what I've seen of the D4 X-Dimension, while the maps themselves are the same, the Geo panel and enemy layout is radically different (usually unfairly so), so I do believe we need to at least note them on the wiki. If we can do it on the same page, sure, but the radically different setup and strategy needed might just require whole other pages for them. Which do you think will work?--Otherarrow (talk) 02:59, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't know enough about the diff b/t main/wikia.css and common.css, so probably pasting any D-Block updates into both is best plan. I clicked through about 40% each of D3 and D4 Characters, all the colors look fine to me... but again, personal wikia.css is probably overriding anything missing from the main two. D4 is sposed to have a Header color of a very-dark blue, like so dark it's almost black, and a darkish red for a Subhead color, right? If that's not what you're seeing after you actionpurge a few times, take a screenshot, load it in here -- http://html-color-codes.info/colors-from-image/ -- and tell me what're the hexvalues that you're seeing.
 * Pretty sure we're done with all the pages that used the old templates! I've been looking at the what-links-here and they all look empty. yeahhh! Uhh that thing with the X-dimension... imma put that on my to-learn-about list for later, becauuuuse it is bedtime. TTYL! SannaSK (talk) 03:17, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, if it's OK for you, it's probably OK, since the css should be the same between them now. I probably just need to clear my cache.
 * Yeah, it looks like we are done with the templates! That wasn't so bad! Of course, that was the easy part, at least in terms of implementation.
 * Yeah, it's OK. Good night. Thanks again!--Otherarrow (talk) 03:46, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Map page visual unity, and 'see also-links' section.
Okayyyy so we're about to go through every single map page and replace a template. This sounds like a good time to get some other cleaning up / visual conformity done. Mostly I guess that means, "get something in place in the MOS," "make sure it accounts for all variables," then "copy and paste a bunch of stuff, and make sure all pages look the same."

So I started typing up a bunch of stuff here, and then I thought... "the revert button exists, just do the thing rather than talk so much." So I did some things. For example: http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Magnificent_Gate - the 'see also' format for linking to the other maps in a given episode just looked ugly. So I made it look less ugly. There are now 'prevmap' and 'nextmap' cells in the unified DisgaeaMapInfobox template. I figure if someone wants to jump farther ahead or back in the episode, that's what the 'Disgaea Maps' bottom-include is for. So, sorry to play around with live pages, but, what do you think?

If that's ok, we can start going through Maps pages and inputting DisgaeaMapInfobox. There's more to change: D1 maps have the additional cell |etna=, D2 maps have |darksun=, all pages have prev/nextmap. Plus, it's a good time to go through and make sure there aren't odd spaces (ie, the top line of the text on the page has to be right under the close-brackets of the DisgaeaMapInfobox template), fix any typos, etc. Should I make a fairly strict 'style guide' in the MOS, for Map pages, and then we start?
 * It looks good. The previous/next map function is convenient, and yeah, if they want to jump around, that's why we got the nav template. I don't see anything we need to change.
 * The etna/darksun (and presumably xdim or something when it comes time for that?) shouldn't be too hard to work with, so I see no problems.
 * Go ahead and write up the style guide and shoot it at me, so I can see if there is anything I can add before we start.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:34, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * I keep finding more things X D haha. Check out Thurvean Sector, the nicely-colored chart of mobs and geosymbol, with space for level and equipment. How much do we... care? Because Imma be honest right now, I don't care about that. It's great to list the mob type, count, and level in the map infobox, like Magnificent Gate, and I would not take down the charts in Thurvean Sector etc, but... idk, maybe my energy for making templates is winding down, haha. I don't think we ought to put in such a chart on any page that doesn't currently have. What we got is pretty good : D.
 * Re the XDimension thing... when I run out of energy for editing this site so widespread like we've been doing, I'm gonna start playing D3, soooo I'm trying to not read too much about it ahead of time... don't want to spoil, haha. But this works out, because then I can make Map pages for D3, of which apparently there are zero so far? but I can make them as I go. But when I start figuring out what that is, then the template is easily-enough expandable to handle it. And since whatever |cell= won't be in pages for D1&2, it won't matter too much that it's not there now.
 * MOS edit is up, to be checked. Thanks for post-signing my previous section, I figured someday I would forget the tildas >_> whups. (Also, I linked something a while ago that accidentally categorized this page as an infobox template, and I can't figure out how to undo that. Probably you can decategorize your own page? I learned just now that if you put a colon in the link, like Category:category name, it will make the link without 'adding' the category. +1 xp!) SannaSK (talk) 02:12, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the chart looks nice and has nice visual flair, but it doesn't say anything the revised map template doesn't say, so it's not nessicary. So yeah, we don't care.
 * It's OK. I hope I am not burning you out by relying on you for so much. And yeah, I don't think D3 (or onwards) maps will require much change to the template.
 * I saw the MOS edit, and it looks nice. Explains what to do pretty neatly and concisely. I approve.
 * Thanks again for all the help. We can get started whenever you are ready (though I'll let you sleep first, since it's getting late here as well. ^^;;)--Otherarrow (talk) 02:29, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Noooo, you're not burning me out, I'm just going at this pretty hard... I'm frustrated that there's like 12 layers of CSS or something and I can't figure out why there's conflicting stuff with .wikitable, and can I override it?, and probably not, and I'm trying to plan what to do with this Tier-into-Class merge, how to visually-unify, what to include, how to lay it out, what table-class to use, do I make a new table-class, do I stack more css on top of infobox, how to template-ize tier-to-class... BLAH. blah blah annoying CSS blah.
 * I did a couple of D2 pages, aaaaaaand... remembered why I wanted to get tier-to-class done before Maps: maps link /to/ mobs. Therefore shouldn't we make sure they link to the correct mob pages? Since we're going through allllll the maps anyway. Okay sooo... yeah, I'm gonna sleep, and deal with CSS tomorrow. SannaSK (talk) 02:57, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, dealing with Tier-to-Class should probably come first, considering that the Maps link to the tiers that appear. We should make sure they link to the right place. Still, how we going to do that? Disambig recurring tiers, then redirect tiers appearing in a single game to the game's class page? Do we redirect the tagged recurring class pages (like Dark Knight (Disgaea), Dark Knight (Disgaea Tier), etc) or just delete them?
 * Ah, sorry, we can tackle that and the CSS issues with the wikitable tomorrow. Thanks again for all of your help.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:18, February 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Technically I'm back on the subject of Class/Tiers, so I guess this should go in the previous section, but then it's out of time order. So.
 * Yeahhh my brain couldn't let it go. I punched some CSS in the face; decided to make a new table-class for what I want to do about unifying the Spells/Abilities charts, it should look virtually identical to the .wikitable class, but be more controllable.
 * Check Celestial_Host_(Disgaea) - I put the tabber stuff in (there's some stuff in my personal css that makes the rows of tabs not hang over themselves like you're probably seeing; don't copy-paste into mainsite just yet, I'm gonna deal with some formatting tomorrow). I didn't delete any of the info from any of the Tier pages. But this is generally what it will look like. (Gonna have to figure out what to do re D2:CM reincarnate costs, whatever that Reinc template is doing for D1 isn't quite the right math for D2, so... will figure that out later.) Brain too tired for 'disambig/redir' thoughts; have plan percolating, must process more tomorrow or so. Ok sleeping for reals this time. SannaSK (talk) 04:36, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Controllable is always good. Do what you need to.
 * The CH page looks nice. The hanging over themselves, yeah annoying, but fixable. So we are good for now.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:53, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Tier-to-Class: the Classening
Monday Monday, so good to mee~ * ahem * so! http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/User:SannaSK/wikia.css please to be copying from "Modifiedinfo class" through "End Tabber tab vertical spacing override" into the main CSSes. This will input the controllable wikitable-lookalike class, as well as fix the tabber-tabs riding up each other's behinds. Next on the list: Reinc Template.

oh boy, Reinc Template.

My first thought was: since t:TierStats is going in the game-Class page, why not put the Reinc chart in t:TierStats? My next thought: oh gosh since this is going in every page, oh gosh the massive quantity of #ifs, nonononono--

My thought after that: as much as I want unified templates, would this be a template that is actually better off being individual per game?

So I went and looked at the T:ReincChart. And it... is not as awful as I initially thought maybe it would be. I'm having a rather hilarious issue, though: I'm googling and not finding anything where anyone wrote down some hard numbers on how much Transmigrating cost in D1. Was it really all the same for everyone, every class, every tier? Or 'same' in the sense that... I just mean, there's not really that much math going on, in T:ReincChart. In D2, which I just finished about a week ago, not everything was the same; there were these, sort of 'groups of classes', so 'this group' (like the 'unlocked at beginning' classes, warrior, healer, mages/skulls) would have a certain spread of how much Reinc'ing cost, and the second group ('Swords at lvl 5 to unlock', perhaps, so like the heavy knight, or ninja) would be slightly more expensive, etc. Within each 'group', the costs were the same, but......

And literally the only thing I know about D3 (trying to not wholly spoil myself X D) and Reinc is that 'story characters get more expensive to Reinc, every time you do it,' which after playing D2 and watching how fast mana could be gotten towards end-game stuff, I really think is actually a good idea.... but TLDR i have no idea right now how this will feed into any sort of Unified template.......

Ok, here's ... the things I can do. Non-miserable-Option A: I can reformat the code that's in T:ReincCosts, make it fit inside (ie be an actual part of) TierStats; run an #if to check for disver=D1, and only display the TierReincCosts section if D1=yes (and not worry about the other games right now). Why is this anything resembling a good plan? Because edit>preview>mobile causes all the things in tabber to display linearly, which means if the reinc costs are displayed not near the rest of the Tier's data, a mobile user is scrolling around through a large quantity of screens to get information that really should be close anyway. Also it will look nice in normal siteview anyway. Other benefit: one template means visual conformity. Drawback: More #ifs, more #ifs, always more #ifs into TierStats... I'm foisting (what feels like) a lot of #if-processing onto the server, and while I'm sure I'm not making a truly monstrous chart now, I don't really know the point at which I'm going to place that final straw on the camel's back. (Or maybe I'm nowhere near the severside limit, and it just feels like a lot because I'm doing so much #if-processing in my brain.)

Non-miserable-Option B: I can reformat T:ReinCosts itself (ie, make a copy that I would alter, rather than the original) and that will be included in the tabber (down where the 'Unlocked by' text is) but not in t:TierStats itself. Benefit: lack of #ifs is easier (on me) to code; data still shows up in layout-proximity to associated data; will look good in both normal-site and mobile-site view. Drawback: editors must know to put in both templates (if they're editing inside tabbers in the first place, they better know what they're doing anyway, haha); each game would end up with its own ReincCost template, ruining the concept of 'unified Templates' (which here mostly means "multiple templates risks losing the visual-conformity that using one template on all game pages provides").

The halfway-in-between Option C: This is basically "option B now, but make it be halfway like option A in the long run, just without putting it actually in T:TierStats." Reformat (a copy of) T:ReinCosts to look nice in the D1 charts. It's a separate template from TierStats. Input some #ifs based on |disver= and maybe another variable (I'm trying to think how to do all the Dis2 reinc costs), to show the correct game's/class' reinc costs. Benefit: doing this will take not terribly much time now (because I push pause on dealing with anything that isn't D1-reinc-costs), not as much time as option A now, but in the end, yes; and then we are one large step closer to actually getting on with tier-into-class-ing of D1. I can cross the bridge of 'dealing with the other games' later. Drawback: in the long run, when all the games get #if'd into UnifiedReincCosts, it won't be any less #if-processing on the server than option A, and maybe even more, if "looking for another template" counts as a straw on the camel-server.

And doing either B or C now and trying to do A later means editing all the pages again. Option A is the 'best code practice', it's also the most frustrating/longest to get done now. Option B is the 'just get it down now, but probably gonna be annoyed at it later' option. Option C is 'better than B now, we can still get on with it, but no less server-heavy than A later.'

So ok. I've organized my thoughts on the matter, sorry it took another wall of text on your page. Any option means 'stealing the code currently in T:reinccosts and reformatting it somehow,' so I'll get started on that.

Currently known to-do list:
 * please paste in the CSS code
 * I should have a quite adequate, not 'true template', but copyable outline / table-class to handle Skills/Abilities on Class pages (on my sandbox if you want to see)
 * solve this ReincCost issue (i'm probably going to go with option A, aren't i... easy? what's that?)
 * have discussion on what to do with the 'old' Tier pages (tldr: i vote delete them; but yeah, more on that later) and what to do with the links in the bottom-include templates..... but yeah, later.
 * I'll make a how-to/checklist of things to do/look for/make sure are there when merging Tier-to-Class
 * THEN we can merge!
 * Then we can go do Maps because we'll have all the correct links for mobs!

... Hey. Wow. wow. Guess how silly I am. Why didn't I think of this before. We know what the correct links for mobs are going to be. Basically, you just go to Class and choose the link for the correct Classname_(Game_number) and pipe for specific Tier name. That's where all the Tier data is going to end up, yes? The Tier-to-Class doesn't HAVE to be done NOW in order to do UnifiedMaps. DERRRRRP MEEEEeee....

So. Wow. Ok. I mean, all the rest of this still stands -- CSS copy; should I do A or B or C; etc -- But. Maps. Can be done now anyway. I'm gonna go update the MOS a smidge and then do a couple D2 maps anyway, just because, sense of completion!! And then start sandboxing this ReincCost stuff.

SannaSK (talk) 17:15, February 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * So! The good news. On my User:SannaSK/Sandbox is a functioning version of Option B/C - separate template, executes the #switch acceptably, really only has data for D1 right now, we could start in on the T2C'ing. The frustrating part: I don't understand how #expr takes its value out of a template parameter; how does it know that 'this parameter' is the value it (the #expr) should be using? So I'm a bit afraid to try to implement option A, because I'm sooort of afraid of blowing things up, esp when I try to figure out how to display D2's data. (The various help pages point out that yes I can nest #switches... but wowww. my brain.)


 * Still percolating what to do with indivTier pages. But truthfully...... once we've scraped all the necessary parts and T2C'd it all: we should just delete them all, and recreate what's necessary as REDIR/disambig. I think in the long run, that may be less headachy than trying to redir/disambig now. Trying to keep up with what's covered and what has holes.... ugh. There's already random orphany pages all over the place here, why leave more mess to be cleaned later? Wipe the board and start over.


 * Again, sorry to wordbarf on your talk page, but it did help me think this out. Thoughts? on A/B/C, and/or delete-indivTiers? SannaSK (talk) 20:28, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Uh, I'm not that smart, so can you do a "layman's terms" version of your A/B/C options? ^^;;
 * Yeah, I guess deleting them all and redirecting as nessicary should work. I want to say most of the recurring ones are already disambiged, and if not, we can make them so?
 * So what do we need to do to implement the map templates exactly?
 * Sorry that I wasn't around much today. I was working on another project, plus personal life, plus Firefox crashed on me for a bit.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:25, February 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, despite my wordbarf, I spent about half the day doing irl junk too. (Shoveling snow! ice! snice?) And even when I was at keys, I was messing with this ReincCost stuff. So don't worry ^_^.
 * To do maps: we can actually do Maps. Right now. Because we just make any links to mobs to go ... ok so:


 * Magnificent Gate currently has a link to  Red Skull 
 * If a user clicks 'Red Skull', they go to a page that identifies Red Skull as "the first-tier  Skull ." Well,  Skull  is an 'Arche-Class' page, as well it should be (since it is in the 'Name' column of Class).
 * Arche-Class pages direct the user to Class_(Game) pages, in this case,  Skull  links to the pages  Skull_(Disgaea) ,  Skull_(Disgaea_2) ,  Skull_(Disgaea_3) , D4, DD2.
 * So Mag_Gate should have a link to  Red Skull  - a link to the Class_(Game) page, not the Tier page. All the Class_(Game) pages either exist already, or are about to X D.


 * See what I mean? I was wrong when I said I needed to get the TierStats done before Maps. I just didn't think through the structure correctly. Maps can be done now, using Mag Gate as a guideline for what new pieces of template elements need to be put in (and/or I can write something into the MOS, or the Talk/MOS).


 * Soo............................ I kinda.... went ahead and did 'A' anyway. I realized, by the time I summarized what I had done today, with the test template I made... it really wasn't going to be that much more blarg to just go ahead and stick it into TierStats. So check Celestial Host (Disgaea) - I know there's something odd going on under the Incompetent part, and I'm gonna figure out what's up with that... I swear there's nothing in the template that should be causing that kind of error (when I view-source, there's a random set of 'pre'-tags there.... but that shouldn't be happening...) Sooo ignore all that stuff about A/B/C. 'A' is done. Also, TierStats is like... woww, way tall. Probably it gets to get moved up the page, quite a bit. I'll poke that with a stick in a bit. BUT: I stuck in the Spells table, to Celestial Host, so as far as I can tell, all valuable information has been snagged out of the Tier pages (which are not linked from Celestial Host at the moment, except in the bottom-include box). Double-check me; I need to go make dinner and then figure out why there are pre-tags, but I thiiiiiiiink.... those Tier pages are deletable.


 * Maps is simpler to do, by far. It's inputting a couple extra |cell='s ( Template:DisgaeaMapInfobox ), checking that links are made where they go, that the page style-formatting matches the MOS. If you're feeling copy-pasty, a good place to start is Magnificent Gate (it's already done, but use it as a template) and just start moving forwards through the 'story' X D. At this exact moment, I need to make dinner, start laundry, and then I can come back.


 * This is a loooooooot of set-up... but I really think in the end, it's gonna be so cool : > ! And easier to add new content! Yeahh!! SannaSK (talk) 00:25, February 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * I said I'd come back... in truth, I need to sleep. I made a ticket or whatever on community.wikia, that error in the TierStats is just... not supposed to be there. grr. maybe someone will be able to help. Other than that... I think I'm done templating! tomorrow I can start editing them in, in earnest ^_^ night~ SannaSK (talk) 03:13, February 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry! It turns out I was busy all day! I was able to do at least chapter 1 of D1 though, fixing tiers to classes and all.
 * Alright. Good that you got A to work. Everything seems to check out on the tiers to class move for CH. And yeah, with how tall it is, we probably should move it to the top (the art can go in the gallery I supposs)
 * Nah, it's OK. It's getting late here too. Sorry again that I was so busy. >_<--Otherarrow (talk) 03:35, February 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Am trying to make the Tier-to-Class tabber stuff more templatey, and less 'important code on multiple pages'-y. Current attempt involves CSS. Because of the asininely obfuscated way that this site stores and processes CSS, I cannot test by editing my own wikia.css - I can't tell if something "more official" is over-riding my stuff, or, why .css refuses to pass width and float commands... argh. Anyway, I feel sort of bad asking you to paste CSS just so I can test something, but... would you please? The 3 lines that starts with "Special class for the Class_(Game) tabbers". Probably putting it right under the other tabber-override stuff will keep 'all tabber stuff' organized. http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/User:SannaSK/wikia.css


 * Again, sorry to do so much live-site testing, but I'm about up to here with things working differently in my Sandbox than they do live (like, i've had to change kind of a lot of code), and I'm running out of patience for Wikia's finicky-crap. Thanks so much. SannaSK (talk) 20:09, February 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, I did it. I understand how annoying the finicky crap is. I hope this makes it work. You've been doing good here, so I know you can figure this out and won't break anything. Sorry I haven't been much help, but I've been either busy or just out of it a lot lately. But I will do what I can.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:49, February 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, last last last css-paste request. The whole chunk that starts with "Special class for the Class_(Game) tabbers" and ends with "on the right". yeahhh I can't let things go, haha. BUT. but but but. if this CSS doesn't make celestial host look hideous... and assuming you don't hate the redone boxes in http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/User:SannaSK/Sandbox (I made Apt/BaseStats/Weaponmastery take up less vertical space, so the table isn't like 1.2 screens high), i'm preeeeeeeeeeeetty sure this means we can actually start Tier-to-Classing. Like for reals. Roll up the information, katamari-style, and start deleting pages. mwahaha.
 * and by 'start' i mean 'I'm probably not going to be here all weekend, or even if I am, it's just here and there.' And also I should probably write a Style Guide for Class_(Game) Pages. on, you know, sunday or monday. not today.
 * (speaking of deleting pages, would you swing by http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Articles_for_Deletion - i put some stuff in there before i did allll those maps, so i think it got hidden in the recent changes pages. not to mention i'll probably find some more. there's a lot of just... crap, hanging around this wiki, haha. but there's about to be a lot less! ~shakes a broom~ ) SannaSK (talk) 02:40, February 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. The redone boxes look fine, so I think we are ready to start. When you and I are both up to it, of course. You do deserve a break. ^^;;--Otherarrow (talk) 04:16, February 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Shoot... um... ok sorry one more thing, about the CSS. The 'good' classes tabber stuff got pasted in, but the 'old' stuff is still there... aaaand they don't both need to be there. In mediawiki/wikia css, the 'good' classes-tabber is the one that's more at the top of the document, and the 'old' one that needs to get deleted is the chunk down at the bottom, under the 'vertical spacing override' chunk. In mediawiki/common css, the 'good' chunk is the one at the very bottom, and the 'old' chunk is right above it. In both cases, the chunk containing 'width:301' is what needs to go away. Please and thanks! SannaSK (talk) 15:03, February 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, my bad, I didn't notice both things there. I removed he old chunk, yeah so it should be good.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:07, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Style Guide for Map Pages
So! http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Style_Guide_for_Map_Pages Thoughts? My hope is that someone coming in, wanting to update something, won't have to poke around the site in order to get a feel for things; but can follow a guide.

I thought about categories 'help' and 'policy', but 'site maint' seemed to fit better. SannaSK (talk) 00:59, February 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks fine to me. Good job. (Sorry, I was away all day again. ^^;;)--Otherarrow (talk) 04:33, February 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't apologize for doing irl stuff X D irl is always >>> internet. I'm, um, going on two weeks of ignoring irl stuff in favor of this wikia, sooo one of these days that's gonna come back and bite me in the butt, haha. (and/or i'm just going to disappear until it's all caught up...)
 * I'm going to start trying to keep a list on my userpage of what's updated to unified-whatever (maps, Class_(Game), etc). So if I disappear (hopefully I won't! i've put so much work into these templates, haha), at least there'll be a note about what was done. (ok, this is me: the note will probably be excessively verbose and slightly difficult to understand anyway >_>).
 * If nothing else, thanks for letting me swoop in out of the void and do all this structuring. I like organizing, structuring, etc, and even with all the CSS headaches and 'why does wikicode break, the guides say this should be workinggggg' issues, in the end, this is fun to do. So, yay! Ok, almost done with Ch4 of D1. Doot de doo~ SannaSK (talk) 16:48, February 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * ( falls down ) oh my goshhhh it's done. all map pages that were using other map infoboxes are using the Unified DisgaeaMapInfobox template. I tagged some obsoleted pages with VFD. I... need a break, haha. Got some irl crap to catch up on too. I'll be back in a bit. Maybe I'll magically find the answer to my wiki-code questions too ;_;.
 * But yeah. Any new map pages made should all totes be in line with everything else. omg yaaay ok be back later... much... later..... SannaSK (talk) 20:35, February 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Good job, and thanks again for all of your help! And yeah, once the obsolete pages are gone, we should have just the unified template to use from now on, so it's all good.
 * Nah, it's OK. You deserve a break. You've done so much for this wiki in such a short time! Feel free to check back in when you can.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:32, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

Prinny Plush
Hey there Otherarrow!

NIS sent us a Roly Prinny Plushie and I wanted to see if you'd like it, or know someone on the Wiki that would. All we'd need is an address to ship it to, which we can handle via email. There's also some Hotaru no Nikki pins included.

Thanks for all your contributions to the Disgaea Wiki and hope to hear back from ya soon!

Michael (profile)•(talk)•(email) 21:22, February 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, another gift? You must be in NIS's good graces. ^^;; I am not in the position to be accepting packages at the moment, and I dunno who would be in the posistion to do so, sorry. Thanks for the offer though!--Otherarrow (talk) 21:32, February 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * ........................ oh my goodness he's so adorable............ SannaSK (talk) 02:42, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Ah! Bummer. Thanks for the quick reply though, much appreciated!

Michael (profile)•(talk)•(email) 00:46, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

Another CSS paste, please
Hey, gmorning. Can I get you to edit the 2 css files again please? Out of http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/User:SannaSK/wikia.css - paste in the D-Block, and in the main two files, can you delete the 'modifiedinfo block'? Fubuki helped me fix what was up with class=wikitable (that fix is in D-Block), so there's no need for modifiedinfo block anymore. No sense in having cluttery CSS hanging around.

How far did you get on the idea of enabling chat for this wiki? Or should we just go to the Community Chat and do PM? I'll go hang out there ( http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Forum the live-chat button on the upper right), so PM me when you're at keys and we'll start sweepin' like mad, haha. SannaSK (talk) 15:10, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * And can you please do the 'mass null edit' thing on http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Disgaea_2_Classes ? SannaSK (talk) 15:27, February 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * I know I've not been saying anything, but I've spent the majority of the day trying to get this 'template-call-template' figured out... the current status is "I've done what I know how to do and what I can find on Google, and now I have to make a Help thread about it."
 * Could you please delete what's in http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Articles_for_Deletion and then mass-null-edit http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Disgaea_Classes ... that will let me close about 8 tabs, haha.
 * So basically what I'm doing for T2C is... I'm doing Monsters first, because I made the DMAC work for D1 monster abilities, and when this template-call-template gets resolved, I should be able to make DMAC work for D2 and then eventually the others, and also then I can make a DMAC-for-Classes version (admittedly I really prefer Unified Templates, but I at-least-50%-suspect that whatever it's going to look like is just going to need a Human-specific layout). So don't T2C any humanoid classes yet, because we'll just have to go later and do their spells then. So look at Faery and/or Winged, and then pick something in http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Disgaea_Classes that doesn't have text-only Tier names. I think the Tabber stuff should be reasonably-obvious copy-pasteable (or maybe I've just looked at it for so long that it makes sense to me). What I'd do is, for example, open 'prinny_disgaea' in a tab, then open the other 6 Tiers of prinny in successive tabs, so I can click edit and do the copy pasting and not get confused about what's gotten done. If the class_game page has a --Tiers-- section, by the end of inserting the Tabber, it can get deleted. Then make the Spells or whatever look the same, don't forget to move the picture at the top down to the gallery, make sure the class_game page has both categories "Disgaea Classes" & "Disgaea: Hour of Darkness Monster" (so far they've had Classes but not Monster).... and delete the Tier pages when there's no more unique info on them, and then de-link them out of template disgaea classes, and then mass-null-edit template disgaea classes.
 * yeah I started that paragraph out with 'so basically,' didn't I. Whups.
 * If you get confused, take notes on what's confusing and let me know, because I really do need to make a Style Guide for Classes, and if I'm so used to thinking something makes sense, I may not write it out well. There's... a lot more steps to this than I tend to assume there are, aren't there.
 * SannaSK (talk) 20:12, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think I understand. Basically, copy/paste tabbed templates, fill in info/pictures with proper tab info, only do monsters right now.
 * You keep telling me to mass-null-edit stuff and, uh, I don't know how. The instructions you gave me just end up with the text for the command pasted on the template page.
 * As for chat, I'll look into it. Sorry, today turned out more hectic for me than I thought. ._.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:51, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * All I know about mass-null-edit came from here - http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:794896 "Action=purge an entire wikia" - apparently it's a special admin command you can perform on a Template:Whatever page. I don't know how to do it because I'm not admin anywhere : p
 * Don't worry about being busy. Gotta make dinner here, then I'll try to start on a good style guide for classes.
 * SannaSK (talk) 22:02, February 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * gasp! Yaaay! I can mass null edit! Thank you so much! (Seriously I clapped a little bit when I moused over the MyTools and saw that. Yaaaaay!) As long as I don't have anymore CSS to paste for a while (gosh I hope not, that stuff better be good and set already), I'm pretty sure that was the only other thing that I was like 'blahh I have to wait for OA to be at keys to get this taken care of.' Yaaaay~ ~
 * Also check the massive Style Guide for Class Game Pages that I 'just' wrote. "Oh, you know, I'll just sketch a bit of it out." Two hours later..... it's like mostly all there, haha. Not 100% done, but a massive chunk of it. Let me know if anything is worded oddly. A Style Guide does need to be clear and accurate. Now if I can get template-call-template figured out to fix DMAC, that's... really all that's left to 'set up', after that, I'm 99% sure everything else is 'just do' (Didn't I say that like a week ago? haha). But later! Night~
 * SannaSK (talk) 03:07, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, busy all day again. I just read the Style Guide and I approve! You are doing good with this, and thanks a lot for getting this done. I hope I can get to work properly too!--Otherarrow (talk) 02:17, February 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, ngl, i'm getting a smidge burned out with the T2Cing monsters. I'm not actually burned out, but I can feel it starting, so I'm gonna switch gears, stave it off. Dragon and one other, I think Great Wyrm, have 'oddities' with their Skills, which means "not all tiers have the exact same layout of Skills." One of them is easy enough to fix - all 6 have their own layout of spells, so I'm planning on just sticking DMAC in the tabber with TierStats - the other one is going to be mildly annoying but not awful. But yeah, I can do those two. Could you get the rest of D1 monsters?
 * I avoid de-linking in the bottom-include templates until that class has been T2C'd, so it's an easy benchmark of what's been done and what hasn't (are links blue or red? it needs doing). But man, it means the Special:WantedPages isn't going to be worth anything until we're done. Man, its like, for every corner that gets swept up, I see three more corners that need sweeping.
 * hey what's the rules on non-admins (me) putting the welcome message on new posters' walls?
 * SannaSK (talk) 18:57, February 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry I haven't been around. Personal stuff and all.
 * If I recall, Dragon actually has different variants for their skill depending on the tier, which vary in element. Is the Great Wyrm the same way?
 * But yeah, I will try to get the rest. Don't worry.
 * No rule against it. Go right ahead!--Otherarrow (talk) 22:39, February 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * EDIT:I was able to merge what I could. Kinda hard to merge pages and info we don't actually have. Sadly, I have no way to play D1 atm so I can't get the info myself. Sorry...--Otherarrow (talk) 00:38, February 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Check http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Treant for example. I put in all the TierStat copies, but just put '??' for the info that wasn't in the pages. That makes it possible for another editor, maybe one not as code-savvy as we are, to come in later and fill in the blanks. Low barrier to entry, that person feels like they're getting something helpful done, and you-and-me-right-now are accomplishing the goal of 'get rid of Tier pages, get rid of links to Tier pages out of the bottom-includes, get everything swept up.' also means we can delete that older list of, like, that 2-column chart that's on the kitkat page. Get the information we do have into tabber-tierstats, mark it as incompletetable, and go on.
 * hey FYI, whatever copy-paste you're using is missing a disver=d1 on the 6th tab. alsoooooo DMAC. : p
 * How 'cheating' is it to get the stats from, idk, the faq-of-games site? My primary concern isn't to input stats -- there is wayyyyy too much machete'ing that still needs to get done -- but all things considered, since this is an anyone-can-edit wikia, it's not like that data is less reliable than what's here.
 * ok! starting on the humanoid skills chart. just as soon as i.... open them all in tabs... and start counting.... haha : x.
 * SannaSK (talk) 00:54, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, fair enough! I didn't think of that! My bad!
 * Oh it is? Weird. You'd better check the pages you did, since I copy/pasted off the Winged, which was one of yours (Prinny doesn't have a sixth tier, see, so it'd take a tad more effort to use that). Either way, I should have caught it.
 * DMAC? What's that?
 * I think if we do have to resort to that, we'd have to ask the FAQ author for permission. It'd be easier if we get the info ourselves, less runaround.
 * Also, your compy OK? I notice that your edits are filled with junk code recently.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:40, February 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Dude, no fair scaring me. you said 'junk code' and i was like 'nooo i have kaspersky, i can't have a virus or something, what junk code is he talking about??' Then I saw there weren't indents in my posts up here. Do you mean the % n b s p ; stuff? X DDDD that's a 'non-breaking space' (nbsp), it's like... a 'forced invisible spacebar-press'. Computers can't 'ignore' it or 'truncate off the too-much whitespace,' so I'm using it to force the indent-look, since I tend to not put 2 enter-presses between paragraphs in these types of convos. so it's 'working as intended', heh.
 * It's also useful, because I discovered that putting nbsp in a wikia-link doesn't interfere with the making of the link. So like, in the Disgaea Classes bottom include, when there are some Tier names that would otherwise wrap a line, you can put doublebrackets Class-nbsp-Name doublebrackets, right, and then you'll never end up with half the Class name on one line and half on the other. I mean, granted we're taking out the Tier links, but it'll still be nice to see "Female Wushu Master" on one line, instead of "Female Wushu (break) Master", you know?
 * DMAC is the 'disgaea monster ability chart', it's the template that makes Monster Skills look nice and visually coherent. Ooh, here's a good test run: Go read in the Class_Game Style Guide and see if that explains it... because if it doesn't, I need to beef up the SG. I mean yes, the C_G SG is at best 90% done, and probably more like 70%. So yes, tell me if that explains.
 * I checked Winged, and tier 6 has the disver, so, who knows what happened. /shrug.
 * I mean, not that this is something I'm super-invested in, but asking a FAQ author for 'permission to use stat data' isn't anywhere near the level of 'asking permission to use text from a walkthru' or... i mean, walkthrus or 'formulae the author did all the work to discover', you know, is one thing, it's that person's creative effort. But collated stat data? it's... 'dry data', it's just numbers. Again, IDRC, because stat-entering isn't on my personal priority list. I mean, who can tell if the numbers came straight out of the game and into this wiki? If they're correct in the faq, they're correct here, and if they're correct in the game, they're correct here. But anyway, there's enough to talk about re-this-site without me nattering about things i hardly care about doing. Mostly my original question was aiming for, "is this something I should think about putting in a style guide / mos/ code of conduct / something 'official', or is it more like, as long as the data is correct and inputted, who cares'.
 * Another reason to let me know if DMAC is understandable from the given text: Human Class Spell Chart is going to function nearly identically, from an editor point of view. Actually from a code point of view too.... but yeah. Prelim tests are woooorking, yaay. So pretty soon it's all gonna boil down to.... a lot of copy-pasting.... lol... yaay....
 * SannaSK (talk) 02:47, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry! I usually see it pretty much put in accidentally by inexperienced users using the Oasis skin, so I associated it with useless garbage code. Didn't know it did something!
 * Oh, I see! My bad, I was just not aware of it. I will try to keep it in mind for tomorrow's effort (and probably go back and do it for today's efforts too, but it's getting late here. ^^;;)
 * Ah, OK. I probably just deleted it by accident and never caught it.
 * Normally, I'd go "as long as the data is correct and inputted, who cares", but on another wiki, I did witness some drama from where someone actually did just take info from another site without permission. Shrug. I guess with raw numbers, it'd be impossible to prove unless they made a mistake that we repeat.
 * Looking at the style guide and the chart's instructions...it is overall pretty easy to use, but there is one iffy bit. It turns out the chart uses code for the attack types instead of just flat out having us write out what they are, which, on one hand, the codes are pretty intuitive and it's all conveniently neat, but on the other, it's a pretty new idea and might confuse for new users or users trying to just pick up the template and go. But that's just something that can be taught, so it's no biggy. I approve!
 * I'm going to Tier to Class the last Monster class, then call it a night. Sorry that I derped a lot today. ^^;;--Otherarrow (talk) 03:16, February 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've come across some pages with raaandom nbsp's, and i'm like 'wat r u doin. stahp.' but no, in my case, it's intentional, lol.
 * re dry data: yeah, like those 'ghost streets' in maps, that mapmakers put in so they can prove that someone copied their map.... and even still, with this dryness level of data, there'd have to be more than one or a few mistakes exactly the same to 'prove'. and then someone would bother to have to compare the numbers.... lol. well anyway. there's way too much to do here to worry about that level of data for right now.
 * does the Documentation on DMAC explain the code well enough? If not, I'll ponder how to do a datadump of what's /in/ the SpellEffectsData, so users can find the exact code they want. I didn't write up that Doc, I edited a couple lines to be a bit more accurate, but on the whole, that chart is 90% as the original guy wrote it. Code-wise, it's really pretty cool, but yeah, it does require the editor to know what's going on. about 90% of what a person would want to do is easy enough to figure out - AF is 'attack/fire', IW is 'int/wind', most of the hard part is memorizing the codes for the statuses. But you are completely correct about things getting more complicated, with the codes... because in D2, there's stuff like 'debuff Def or Hit, -20%, -30%' and yes I can make that work, but again, editors being able to look up the codes, or learn the code format.... Powerful Things Break Easily And Spectacularly. That needs to be a computery acronym, like PEBKAC. loool. I'll think about how to do the 'get codes to display easily' thing.
 * human spell chart..... mostly works! and has some kind of flaw somewhere! so i'll make a Help post about it in the community.wikia and maybe TableWiz will save my bacon again. Not sure how much I'll be around tomorrow; got a lot of irl stuff I've been ignoring. be back when I can \o
 * SannaSK (talk) 03:53, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough really. I guess if we don't copy/paste it whole sale, like, who'd notice? Data is data, it isn't like images or anything.
 * Yeah, it explains it just fine. I think at most, we need to direct confused people to the documentation (or explain it ourselves) and they'd go "ooooh!", since it's pretty intuitive once you realize what is going on. (though yeah, those D2 effects are looking scary to handle with the code) But yeah, getting codes to display easily will help.
 * Hey, nice! Don't worry about not being around tomorrow, you've done good. Thanks again for all the help!--Otherarrow (talk) 04:22, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

D1 Hum T2C
Well I shoulda looked at this sooner.

Humanoid classes that don't have 'natural spells', won't have a humanoid-DMAC chart, and can be T2C'd right now: m&f brawler, m&f warrior, archer, samurai, ninja, thief, EDF soldier. ETA: also Maijin.

Yeah they all learn Specials, but the specials are all weapon-related. So no 'skills' chart shows up on their ClassGame page. So they can be T2C'd while I work on getting the chart going for the ones that do have 'natural spells'. Mwahahaaa.

SannaSK (talk) 01:33, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I DID IT. I DID IT. I FIXED THE PROBLEM MYSELF AND IT WORKS AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND I'M SO TIRED THAT ALL CAPS IS JUSTIFIED AND IT'S JUST THE BEST DAMN FEELING WHEN THE CODE WORKS X DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
 * (cough) Human spell chart is a sufficient go, once I put in the effect codes to make it display what it ought to be displaying. Dude this site is gonna be so SHWANK when I'm done with it, looool. We're gonna have to get people over here just so we can be like "LOOK AT DIS PRITTIFUL CODE OMG oh yeah these disgaea games are pretty cool too you know"
 * yeah. it's totes sleeping time. Oh, stuck in my brain to say: implementing new codes, even stuff like "Int+Hit -20%", is not actually going to be hard to insert into the effects-data page (ie, not hard for me), and individually not hard for a person to input (probably the code would look like IHT-20), but it would almost assuredly require some sort of 'code display' that people could look at... the editor would have to go "i need to input "Int+Hit -20%", let me either ctrl+f or visually scan down this giant-butt list until I find it, oh ok IHT-20", so... yeah, I can see that a casual editor wouldn't do such a thing. And even a fairly serious editor would probably either get bogged down or annoyed... Unless I'm really good at the organization.... *challenge accepted.... some other day*, haha. At the very least, hopefully we can just get people to use the IncompleteTable template...
 * the code woooooooooorks oh my gosh yaaaaaaay ok seriously bye talk to you later
 * SannaSK (talk) 04:38, February 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Fascinating new issue. So several of the Tier pages were using lower-quality jpgs for the sprites, instead of the nice higher-quality pngs. Seems like most of the ClassGame pages use the pngs. So when you T2C, make sure you get the .png image from the 'tiers' table, they're usually named 'D1 Classname 01.png', and put it in the tierstats... I'm pretty sure I've caught most of the instances of crappy jpgs and replaced them with pngs... my question is, how do i 'vfd' a picture? It's easy enough to check and make sure they aren't used anywhere else, or to fix it if they are. I mean, should I just categorize them in the 'articles for deletion' category, and then you check that category page?
 * I'll do the D1 Hums that have spells, do you want to tackle the D1 Hums that are spell-less?
 * SannaSK (talk) 21:38, February 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok... there's some VFD'd pages, and I've gone through http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Disgaea:_Hour_of_Darkness_Class_Sprites and listed on http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/User:SannaSK/Sandbox a bunch of images that are lower-quality jpgs that should be deleted. None of them are in use, or "if they are," they're on Tier pages which I have T2C'd and VFD'd. I didn't list jpgs for Humanoid tiers that haven't been T2C'd, that can be done later.
 * Human spell chart works, I've put it on the Celestial Host page and the Male Healer page, and technically the Scout page too. Haven't really written up documentation on how to use them. Maybe let's do an experiment; can you do Female Cleric and tell me what is not easy to understand about HCSC (which I should link to from SG-ClassGame) so I can write whatever to make it easier to understand. But not today. Brain is... going to take a break for the evening, lawl. May or may not be here this weekend. Woo \o
 * SannaSK (talk) 00:48, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh shit, you wanted to do a thing today. Sorry, I've been distracted all day.
 * You can VFD images just as you would other pages. Just slap the template on the image page.
 * You sure you want me to start doing Humanoids today? I probably won't be able to do much before other things come up, but I'll do what I can. Sorry.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:10, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Srsly, stop worrying so much about being afk in the day. IRL>>>>internet/game/whatever. Talk pages are good, I can leave messages and you can get to them whenever. : p
 * At some point, we should figure out how to get someone else to hang around who likes to fold data in. There's still like 14 D1 Hum classes to do. I mean, there's no way two of us can sprint through that. And even 'marathon'ing it would be a pain. Do two classes a day, just to keep from burning out? Split between us, that's still a week. I need to start putting my face in front of the D2 Hum/Mon spells/abilities, figure out how to make those fit the template (i mean, at this point, it better just be putting more Effect Codes into SED) -- the Incomplete Table category is going to explode.
 * We need more hands. And they need to be relatively smart people. How do we get some? haha. (and can beggars afford to be choosers....) (I asked hubby, he was... not interested, haha.)
 * And someday I actually want to start playing D3... haha. Ok, let me know if HCSC is ok or confusing. I may or may not be back a tad later tonight, but probably not. TTYL.
 * SannaSK (talk) 02:03, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. Yeah, that's true. No reason to stress out.
 * Tbh, I have no idea how the HCSC works, so I just copy/pasted the table from the Male Healer page. It's not as much like the Monster one as I expected. ^^;;
 * With that said, yeah, extra hands would help. While we can probably do it on our own, we'd get burnt out quick. Are any of the other editers still around? I know, at least, the old admin was really good at wiki gnoming.
 * It's getting late over here, but I at least can get back to Tier-to-Class-ing tomorrow.--Otherarrow (talk) 06:00, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, can you go to http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/User:SannaSK/wikia.css and copy the 4 lines that start with 'Special class for the class_game tabbers', and paste it over the section that's in the 2 CSS files? I'm trying to restrict down the width again; I thought max-width was going to do something it isn't actually doing.
 * "Are any of the other editers still around?" lol i have no idea. Sometimes I've looked at the Special:Users page and Yuan's logged into her acct relatively recently, but hasn't been here in a while. Beyond that, I wouldn't know. I've been pondering with altering the main page -- you know that part that says "The Disgaea wiki is currently rehauling all of its articles and structure. Please contribute your opinion here." and then 'here' links to Yuan's how-many-year-old Sandbox... We should... wow, I have a bunch of ideas. We need a better site-wide forum -- i mean, there's been a couple people drop in and make an edit here and there, we should try to get them to hang around more. So the forum needs to be easier to understand, more visible from the main page that it's in use... and a better link from the main page to "hey new editors, we have a lot you could sure help us out with" stuff. Hm. Maybe I'll poke this for a bit.
 * Do you know, is it possible to rename an image? As a normal user, I don't seem to see anything that says 'move' or 'rename' when I click the blue Edit box. Is that a special adminny thing, or, is the only option to re-upload with the correct name, alter links, and vfd the older image? I've tried googling about this but I get old, conflicting information.
 * I wrote some more documenty stuff about HCSC on its page. See if that makes it make more sense? I did the Mage page. UGH that took forever omg, haha. 22 spells! And because I was 'smart' and labeled the parameters, I couldn't just copy-paste stuff like I could for a DMAC chart. whupssss.
 * SannaSK (talk) 15:36, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * Yeah, a better site wide forum, and we need to find a way to get these "passerby editors" to stick around and help out more.
 * Only admins can rename images. Tell me what you need renamed.
 * Well, on the plus side, the Mage (and the Skull, who has the same spell list I think, so copy/paste ahoy!) should be the worst of it?
 * As for the template itself, once you got it all labeled out, it makes sense, even the parameter labels. (I didn't get that "n1" was name at a glance, for example. ^^;;)--Otherarrow (talk) 20:36, February 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for CSS paste.
 * I'm going to cry, and you're going to kill me, and if I'm lucky, in that order. I had my friend pull up this wiki on her iphone (i have a dink-butt "smart"phone, so the part where it looked like crapppp on my phone didn't worry me before tonight), and.... it looks like crap. There are NO colors. And not just for the CSS-calls, but I went and looked at some pages where I knew colors were hard-coded in (like table cell backgrounds, right), and... NOTHING. nooothing.
 * Buuuuuuuuuut here's the awful part. The T2C'd class pages are... bad. I put the Tabber stuff on the very first line in order to make the tabber be as far up on the page as possible; but that means on, for example, an iphone, all 6 classes of data are just BOOM in a row. Which would be fine EXCEPT... the wasted white space is vile. Like, look at anything that's T2C'd, edit>preview>mobile. THAT? Is not what it looked like on her phone. The Preview shows colors, her phone had none. The layout in the Preview is just... not what it looks like. I mean, I don't know why I'm surprised that preview>mobile is inaccurate, but... I mean, I'd relatively ignored Mobile preview because really, who looks up this stuff on their phone. I mean, is it even possible to find out what percentage of this wiki's traffic comes from mobile?
 * I also looked at a non-T2C'd page... IE, didn't start out with the giant un-tabbed-Tabber, and did start out with an image of the class, the name of the class... so now I need to go look at how to make float-left work like I want. The good news: all the information that's on T2C'd pages is, I don't forsee any real issue with it being like it is (we don't need more info from somewhere, we don't have to take info out of here and put it elsewhere). The bad news: whatever fix I can make work means editing every single one of those pages again. Just to copy-paste existing code around. But. Ugh. I can't believe I.... ugh. I mean, yes I can believe. Who depends on their tiny-butt cell phone for internet stuff? But whatever. If I'm ever going to fix it, now is the time.
 * So as much as this makes me want to cry.... lets push pause on T2C. The very next thing I do here is going to be figuring out how to lay out a page correctly... where Tabbers can still be at the top on desktop, but mobile doesn't look like shiiite.
 * "Only admins can rename images. Tell me what you need renamed." A lot. A lot. Like. Upwards of 100 images. There's about 15 in the D1 Sprite category that are good images with augh names, but about 98% of what's in the D2 Sprite/whatever category is just. no. I will pick this thought process up again at a later point in time.
 * SannaSK (talk) 04:57, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Main Page alteration request
What's currently on main page: The Disgaea wiki is currently rehauling all of its articles and structure. Please contribute your opinion here

I would replace that line with March 2015 - Help us Spring Clean! The Disgaea Wiki is currently seeking a few good editors to assist in the Tier to Class project and other organizational efforts. Check out the Community Portal for more information!

I've put some text in the ComPo regarding T2C. I mean, this wikia feels dead when you look at it because... oh gosh where do I start. The Main Page is so barebones: whitespace is good but too much feels like... walking into a restaurant and not only is nobody seated, but you can't see any employees either. There's nothing that 'moves' - I mean, I get that having 'featured pages' here is a smidge odd, but... So when I was trying to figure out where to start here, I kept looking at ComPo, the forums, the things I was being linked to for 'here's how to get started on this wiki', and it was all so fractured. Things over here didn't match things over there.

One day a few days ago, I randomly clicked on one of those links on the bottom, to a Kirby wikia. I don't know why Kirby specifically. But wowww their page is great. It's well laid out, the information is dense but not cluttered, it's colored but not overwhelming, and their 'help'/'how to get started' is fantastic. I'm like, this is what we need! Cohesion, transparency, simplicity...

T2C isn't done, and it's not even frameworked enough that I can walk away from it (just because D1 is, afaict, 100% to the 'just input the data in the right spot' phase doesn't mean that the same can be said for D2... much less I haven't even started to look at D3, much less D4... this is what i mean by 'marathon, not sprint', haha). But if we're going to get any new visitors who happen to drop by to stay and potentially become editors... there is soooo much that needs doing.

1. Forums. What even is going on. It's 90% incomprehensible to a casual user (read: me, when I was learning my way around) how to interact with those forums. Which is a forum header? Which is a title of a thread? Blah. They're nothing like the forums at Community Wikia: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Forum. So, is there some kind of admin tool you have available that lets you... 'install' or 'activate', or 'make our forums look like that'?

2. Main Page. On the one hand, I get that not any given person should just drop by and mess with it. But it needs overhauling. Look at the Kirby wikia mainpage; let's taken even just 10% of that and put it here.

The right-half with the titles of the games; can we insert a sprite or a small but good quality image of the main character of each? Make a sub-table somehow that involves the D#a/b colors?

The left half:
 * The News box could have more links in it. Granted, there hasn't been much info about it, but what little there is, it would do a lot for the 'looking current'ness of this wiki to link to those articles. There's a create new article box on the main page oh gosh that's like my nightmare. There's a thousand things new editors can be doing before they go making new pages. And several of those things could be noted in the Getting Started box. Section. Whatever that is.
 * Category index... that thing makes me want to cry. More than 'hey have a crazy-ass list of oh gosh why are there... there are 225 categories?? has anyone on this wiki even heard of a category tree?', what we need is to link this page - http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation - but after I've attacked it with my Spiffification Machete. (I have a table in mind that is going to be quite useful.... mwahaha...)
 * 'Expand a stub,' this is good. There should also be a link to the Incomplete Tables category, because, yeah. "Have information missing from a table? Check out the Incomplete Tables list!" Good luck at not running in terror from the size of that thing : p.

Also at the top of the page: the second line of text is some not-quite-right English - it should be 'please help us expand', not 'to expand'.

3. Category Structures: separately from what is up under 'main page' point. http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Categories?t=20130720003313 This post was a year and a half ago. I can't figure out what he's talking about because one of the pages he links to is something I can't access. Do you know what this is? Is there any way to figure out what percentage of the traffic to this specific wiki is mobile-generated?

And that's all I can think of right now, because I need to afk for the rest of today and idk how tomorrow will look. Mostly right now, I'm concerned with the first two things. Forums: can we get better ones? (Because then I can stop spamming your talk page... this poor page is like three miles long, haha.) Main page: can you let me have some kind of user-rights to edit it (is there a level above 'casual user who just stopped by to fix a typo' but less than 'admin') (if there isn't, should there be?)? or relax the permissions on it for a bit? That 'mobile categories idek' thing can wait.

There's so much to do. I look at T2C and D1 is all ready to just get done, I don't think I need to fiddle any more with it... and then I look at the rest of the 'restaurant' and all I've done is wiped off one table.... whee. Well... marathon.... pace myself... haha.

SannaSK (talk) 19:52, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Updated the main page, as requested.
 * Re: Forums: The Community Wiki is the outlier, as literally every Wiki I've been to has forums like ours. I don't understand what you are talking about. Which is the title of the thread? The page title, duh? It's not rocket science here. Page title is at "Forum:Topic" and we treat it like a talk page. We don't need more complicated forums than that, do we?
 * Re: Main Page: I dunno. I'd be down with sprucing it up, but I dunno how. My other main Wiki haunts, the Fire Emblem Wiki and the SMT Wiki, both do it different ways. The Fire Emblem Wiki has a Featured Article (which is never updated because no one wants to vote on it), handy boxes with content in them (such as facts, a poll, list of games, etc), while the SMT Wiki has images representing important categories, a slider of relevant news, a rotating quote and facts thing, and a poll. As for images for games, I dunno if we need them. I can't think of anything that won't just clutter it.
 * Part of me likes the simpleness and compactness of it, but yeah, more could be done to liven it up. More news would help. I admit, I am not the best guy to update that, as I am horribly out of the loop of Disgaea news. I think there have been trailers for characters for Disgaea 5, but they are all in Japanese, so they basically hold no interest to me (and I don't know if it'd be newsworthy). I think Yuan originally planned the Featured Image to be a rotating thing (compare how the FFWiki does theirs), but she only picked two then promptly forgot about it, even when she still edited regularly.
 * Maybe add a poll (which we'd need to update regularly, which I am bad at)? Maybe add a section for quotes taken throughout the series? I wish I knew.
 * Re: Category Structure: I don't know what you are talking about. Do we really have 255 categories? I know we have a lot per game (one for characters, character images, concept art, classes, maps) but with only five games, it shouldn't add up to 255, even with maintenance templates and shit.
 * Sorry, I ain't much help it seems...--Otherarrow (talk) 20:58, February 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok. I couldn't figure out the ClassGame layout issue, so I made a help post. Can't do much more about it till someone smart answers.
 * Thank you for pasting that for me, on the main page.
 * Re the 'sprites'/'images for games' - look at http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/User:SannaSK/Sandbox?oldid=33684, skip down past the warrior stuff, section titled 'main page links and sprites'. That's what I was thinking of. Maybe do a float:right and have Etna, Rozalin, whomever, too. Nothing amagaaaash, but for now, just a smidge more than 'hi, here is a bulleted list of italicized links.'
 * re forums: So, what confused new-user-me specifically, was: I clicked Forums, and saw 2 blue lines of text. 'Dark Assembly' and 'Item World'. No description next to them. What is discussed in Dark Assembly? in Item World? I can click those links and then I see some text telling me what goes on here. But it's still just blue text on a white background. There's not a column for 'who originally posted this thread'; often forums have slightly different colors per line, you know, like odd-numbered lines are white-background and even-numbered are a slight grey, you know? Forum thread titles (ie the links to them) are maybe +1 font size or something. There's almost no customization aimed at visual ease going on.
 * There's a link to a 'disgaea wiki' http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Forums - which says it's been deleted in favor of 'Shared:Help' - but still shows me some images that make me think that... I don't think the CommunityWikia forums are as unique as you think they are... (...) Ok so I just spent the last idk 15 min? not terribly long, clicking the 'random wikia' button. Here is a list of wikis that have the 'new' forum, at link (wikiname).wikia.com/wiki/Special:Forum:

muppet

buddyfight

monstergirlencyclopedia

bleach

gravityfalls

teenwolf

swordartonline

stargate

rwby

spartacus

jojo

academicjobs (... there really are wikis for everything...)

youtube (i can't make this up)

creepypasta

mixels

And here's what I clicked that had (wikiname).wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Index ('old style', like what we have and other two places you were talking about)

fma

warriors

arrow

dragonball - ok they have old style, but it has a much better visual layout than ours (even tho i think everyone is making 'forums' instead of posts, maybe? idk, doesn't matter)

highschooldxd

friends - well, 'special forum' isn't up, and 'forum index' was deleted, so idk...

degrassi

logos

uncyclopedia

so counting 'community', and counting disgaea and the 2 you mentioned, there's 16 for 'new' forums and 12 for 'old'. Not exactly the best spread of data points, but the point is: there's something that probably you-as-admin can do to retire the old forums and 'load in' the new ones. Why are they better? First thought that comes to mind is "nobody can gank around with other people's old posts." I'm pretty sure that hasn't been a problem here in the past, but why leave the possibility open? Two: it removes a lot of new-user pitfalls - not signing posts, not knowing how to make titles, idk, stuff. Three: visual accessibility, it's easier to understand. I figured out what to do on Community Wikia forums in like 10 seconds. Four: there are 'tags' on the new-forums' threads (ok it's a tiny point but still).

Five: I keep nattering on your talk page, only because you're the only other one here. We should, in the long run, be talking in a more public location (with more people??), and if we're going to do that, we should have the better forums up first.

tldr it's not just Community Wikia, the new forums are available to everyone, and we should make this site be spiffy. b^_^b!

Ok, shutting up for now. Sprites&links, new forums, and of course 'wtf T2C layout' is my main iron in the fire. SannaSK (talk) 23:18, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the lateness in the reply (and the lack of action, at least for the time being), I've been busy with personal stuff which takes much more priority than wiki editing. ^^;;
 * Re:Forums: Well, huh. More widespread than I thought, and you do make a point about the lack of clearness about the current forums. I guess...it wouldn't hurt to give the new forum set up a go. I am a bit scared that it'd invite forumites, basically users who chat in the forums and do little to no wiki work. The FFWiki used to have a lot of those... But I will look into it if I have the time!
 * Re:Main page: That actually works out better than I expected! We'd probably use Laharl's D1 sprite instead of his D2-4 one, and we need Mao in his battle pose, but otherwise, no objections to that. (I am tempted to recommend Valzy be SD just to match, since he kinda sticks out now, but since D5 is likely HD only, I am also tempted to just have Laharl, Adell, and Mao use their HD sprites from D4 so all five games match.)
 * (Also, on the other topic, since I don't have enough thought for a full response at the moment: ...wow, mobile just fucked up the T2C project, among other things. I hope we can work something out ._.)--Otherarrow (talk) 04:07, March 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * I can't even begin to express how angry I am at this mobile crap. When I was originally trying to do the T2C layout, I tried to put the pic that was top-right at top-left, and it just... i mean, it's almost exactly the problem i have now. i want pic top-left, tabber top-right, text in the middle, and nothing is making that work. AUGH WHAT EVEN. i even got my relatively-css-savvy friend to look at it, and the solution she uses for her real website 100% breaks on wikia. what is even going on with their code idek and i'm mad.
 * ugh whatever. next. sprites. i'm.... not wholly married to the idea of 'which' sprite to use, but my assumption was, use the sprite that comes from that game. i mean, we have D1 game info that is from D1, so use the D1 sprite. so it sort of shows how the graphics grow over time, right? It's like the progression of Marios or Links or... Mega-mans? >_> anyway. OTOH, all-nice sprites are also nice. as far as the ones i used for the test, i grabbed a sprite out of the 'd1 sprite' category, adell out of the 'd2 sprite', etc, but idk if those are the best sprites available anywhere or what. I don't really know where to go look on the internet to get "good sprites" or whatever, you know? haha. tldr which sprites, i have no super-strong opinion on. there's reasonable logic for both sides of it.
 * re: forumites. i... admit i don't know how that would happen. i mean like... someone would come to this wiki to... talk about disgaea but not edit the site? i... guess I wouldn't care too much? (i mean i say that now...?) i mean, rules can be implimented. 'use this space to talk about disgaea; if you want to make threads not about disgaea, there's only about a million other places on the internet to have those conversations'? that would keep maybe the spam down. would forum posts show up in the 'recently updated'? i would guess not, but I guess tmr i can go to one of those other wikis and check that out.
 * but please please do look into setting up new-style forums. i'm long over the line of feeling bad about spamming your talk page, and i'm also reasonably well into the territory of "some of these conversations just ought to be had in a more public setting anyway". I really appreciate this.
 * SannaSK (talk) 04:24, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand, I understand. I think I can set up the forums pretty easy, I just need to remember where things go.
 * As for the forumites, you would think, but again, the FFWiki got that problem too. Since we have like, 3 editers tops, I don't see this as too much of a problem, as I am just paranoid and stupid.
 * Oh, the progression of sprites is another good idea. Uniformity is nice, but showing progress is also a neat thing I didn't even think of. And oh huh, it seems you have the "right" Laharl now. I dunno if you corrected it since I checked it, or I had the two confused from the beginning. My bad. ^^;;
 * PREDIT:Through the power of "getting things to work", I have turned on Forums. Now, uh, to decide if we still need chat with the new forums.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:43, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Small questions.
1 - ''ignore what was here... i'll figure out something better in the long run.''

2 - can you hit up http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Articles_for_Deletion, there's some stuff in there that's been hanging out for a while, and it's making some odd 'file not found' links register on other pages.

3 - I'm dumping some thoughts on Category organization into this thread http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:8607 so please swing by and let me know what you think, specifically about the D1 Classes... if we go that route, we should get it done while T2Cing.

Thanks : >

SannaSK (talk) 18:29, March 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * So... I'm not burning out on T2C as a whole... but I'm burning out on D1. AFAICT everything for it should be 'set' in the sense of 'fill in the blanks, make it look like the SG says it should'. No more problems. I kinda want to head to D2 and start doing those. What's the point of unified templates if I keep doing D1 content? heh. Would it be ok to ask you to take care of what's left in D1? I think I counted that there's 9 classes, and I'm pretty sure at least half of them don't have any spells, so that'll go more quickly (the mage chart had twenty-two lines, and even though the skull chart was the same thing, i still double checked it, just to be safe).
 * Hey, when you delete what I've VFD'd, do you look on the articles for deletion page? or do you just see what I've tagged in the recent-changes page? I ask because I've noticed that sometimes, some pages hang out in AfD for a while but some go quickly - not that anything I tag should be deleted without admin consideration, but because how you access things affects my thought process on how to handle the image-renaming stuff.
 * SannaSK (talk) 03:27, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry, I've been dealing with personal stuff today, and haven't been in the mood to do any serious work. I hope you understand. I hope to be up to snuff soon though!
 * Yeah, it's fine. I can do D1. All we need is the rest of the humanoids and the unique classes (which really isn't much work, just time consuming). Since I now know better how the magic template works, nothing should stop me from getting all of these pages up to form!
 * It depends, but recent changes is where it originates. Usually, I see one image VFDed on the recent changes, and this reminds me to check the category for the rest and anything I missed before. I am not very proactive. ^^;;
 * I hope that helped! Thanks again for all the help, and I hope you aren't getting sick of this place. :P--Otherarrow (talk) 04:08, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

psst, when you get a sec, can you look at http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Recentchangestext ?

also, would it work to link http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Articles_for_Deletion on your userpage? i mean, my userpage is almost entirely HI BOOKMARKS, but i know not everyone does that. haha. I tried to google up some stuff on how to add links to the Toolbar, at the bottom, and basically the answer is 'we can't.' Wikia made this neato bar and then really restricted the crap out of what we can do with it. grr! oh well. anywho if you'd look at those two links when you get a chance b^_^ thanks. night!

SannaSK (talk) 03:22, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Do we care that this guy removed this one pic from this page and didn't say why? http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Dominion_Characters:_Nippon_Ichi_All-Stars?curid=8410&diff=33933&oldid=33932
 * SannaSK (talk) 00:52, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * We do. I just didn't notice it.
 * On another note, I am having trouble accessing my talk page manually, for some reason, Wikia is directing me to the nonexistant Message Wall, a feature this wiki doesn't have enabled (mostly because it's dumb). I checked, and it only does it on this wiki, so I fear it may be tied to the new forums somehow. Guh.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:06, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * yeah, when I do so many edits, the random few who aren't me who come in and do stuff get a bit lost. >_> sorrynotsorry? haha.
 * That's weird about the not-accessing. Do you mean like if you go to your userpage and click 'talk'? I just tested on my userpage and it took me to my talk page like before. that is an odd thing to have happen : x.
 * Totally not to distract you from T2C, but when you get to it, can you go check the DA board, i made a post about trying to enable a NullEditButton that isn't working and i wonder if there's an adminny-enabling solution or something.
 * I DID SO MUCH T2Cing... the issues with the DMAC chart and the percentage and the codes... i just finally said OK FIENNN and opened them all in tabs and made the codes and did the pages and OMG. yeah afk with me, loool X D
 * SannaSK (talk) 01:47, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's fine.
 * Huh. How odd. Might be a Monobook thing?
 * Sure, I'll look into it. (I need more reason to procrastinate anyway. :P )
 * Oh wow, you did it? Good job! :D--Otherarrow (talk) 01:54, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

(Wait, why delete Red Waterfall?) SannaSK (talk) 21:03, March 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * It was a stub page with no content. Do you want me to restore it so you can work on it?--Otherarrow (talk) 21:12, March 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, it is actually a Map page in D2, and judging from what little I can read in the del log, it didn't seem like what info was there was inaccurate... It is on my long-term to-do list to go thru D2 maps and write stuff up, so eventually I'd (or someone would) be re-creating a page with that title anyway. (also wow: go you kick butt with the T2Cing!!)
 * SannaSK (talk) 23:35, March 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright, I restored it. Sorry for the trouble.
 * Well, I planned to finish up the D1 generics today, but I noticed (due to checking the official sites on a whim) that we had the class names for the Brawlers and the Lady Samurai technically wrong, so I had to change the names on all related pages. Thanks though. ^^;;--Otherarrow (talk) 01:17, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

psst - http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:8655 - it prob got buried in all the other edits done ^_^

SannaSK (talk) 23:31, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

(Sat evening) - psst, CSS paste request. http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/User:SannaSK/wikia.css - the whole thing, if that's ok. I fixed some stuff in the D-Block that was preventing the 'b' classes from being seen in cells that started with '!', and I made small alterations to both halves of the Tabber Block. I think in the main CSS files, the Tabber stuff is in 2 diff places, so please check that there isn't old code hanging around : ) thank you~ ~ ~

Also I've made, uh, kind of a lot of posts in the forums. If you have Recentchanges set to only show 50 pages, they've probably been pushed off. And check VFD category, i've, uh, found a lot of crap that needs sweeping.

I guess I've been busier than I thought X D and there's still sooo much to do... X D

SannaSK (talk) 01:10, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

(Mon 16 - AM) css paste request please and thank you - http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/User:SannaSK/wikia.css - D-Block is updated with values for D5 and unique values for DD2. I also added some comments describing the colors, in case some future editor finds that handy. I need to go update that table in the MOS now too ^_^.

(Also please check the forums, I put up a thread about getting a Spotlight. Lemme know what you think.)

SannaSK (talk) 13:33, March 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, done! Sorry I was late on that!--Otherarrow (talk) 16:48, March 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * You're not late! you're fine X DD however, I'm so sorry, but I need to ask for another paste. Turns out I had not realized just HOW IMPORTANT some commas were, and by 'important' i mean 'breaks the code' (turns out you can NOT have commas between the ".D1a" stuff and the stuff in the curly brackets. Commas there is verrehbad. sighh.). Thanks, commas. Anyway. I fixed it in my wikia.css. (This is why I need to be Engineer. At least if I'd broken it live, I could have fixed it live right away. Cooooooode.)

SannaSK (talk) 20:43, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

The Clears.

Soooo now that you've edited it out of several pages... I've been meaning to say for a bit - you've been using 'C L R', which clears both, and it was originally intended to be 'C L R L', 'clear left', as in, 'clear the left side', to make sure it pushes down below the upper-left-corner image. But not 'clear both', because yeah, esp on Monobook, it shouldn't necessarily push down under the tabber. Sorry this is a bit fragmented paragraph, multitasking. I will poke the Class_Game SG and make sure to clarify that before Thurs. (ahhh launch ahhh i mean probs we won't get anyone but it's still kind of exciting x D)

SannaSK (talk) 03:20, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm too stupid to know the difference or what they did, I just did what memory told me would make things not be on top of themselves. I ultimately decided that just adjusting the picture size so it looks good is better than leaving blank space. Maybe I'm just dumb? Sorry.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:37, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * You're not stupid : p. There are 3 templates in Wikicode that do similar but slightly different things. template:clr will force whatever is below it to wait until there is nothing on the left or right side of the screen, IE, if a horizontal rule could go entirely across the screen and not touch any other element. there's also Template:Clrl and Template:Clrr, which do the same but only force the clear on the given side, left or right. I agree that CLR is not a good one, because it pushes things too far down. But I put CLRLs in all the D1/2 pages, in order to force stuff down below the images.
 * You make a good point that I have put /no/ thought into standardizing the size of the upper-left images. At best, I guess I assumed they were already sized well? So, I have no opinion right now on what to do about the picture sizes. Que sera.

SannaSK (talk) 03:49, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, so go CLRL, and ignore CLR since it's kinda bleh. Hrm. That's an idea. Should I go back and add them again?
 * Standardizing images, hrm. Easier said than done. Due to the differing poses of the artwork, the same "size" can come off radically bigger or smaller when actually on the page, you know? I just kinda resize them as I see fit during editing depending on if I think the image is too small or big as it's currently sized.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:20, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Syntax Highlight public beta
GASP 

http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Kirkburn/Syntax_highlighting_-_helping_you_read_and_write_code

Please oh please go comment and request this for us pleeeease oh gosh can you imagine how this could help. I mean yeah it would take some getting used to, and assuming the colors are controlled through a css or something, I might have to fiddle just a smidge and get them light enough to use but still enough there to be useful.... But you could tell where code problems are, b/c if the code isn't written correctly, the color doesn't do its thing right. You know? Yeahhh let's do it! : D But an admin has to request it X D

SannaSK (talk) 05:55, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Done! I hope it goes through! :D--Otherarrow (talk) 07:02, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

Good to see you again : p
I was hoping you were ok X D I noticed the girlfriend>fiancee edit, was that a thing that happened right then? Congrats X D!

So, read BetaDragon's talk page; (s?)he's got D3:AOD, and is inputting stats based off that. Check it against your D3 book; I would be really surprised if things (stats) were different between the two, but if they are, it's not that big a deal to figure out how to save both copies of data.

I've got some irl things taking my attn for at least tomorrow and also at least half of the upcoming week. I can keep an eye on Recent Changes but I may not be really active until, like, the 27th.

So, glad to know you're ok and stuff. Hope your irl stuff starts being less stressful to you X D.

SannaSK (talk) 01:28, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

HCSC talk
Hey~ BetaDragon and I are discussing HCSC, thought you might want to swing by and see if you wanna weigh in. Template_talk:HumClassSpellChart. The TLDR is, do we split up 'range' and 'descr' into separate columns, and add flavor text or not. Pro: display everything : ) ! Con: it takes up so much space : < ! So yeah, let me know what you think.

SannaSK (talk) 16:49, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

A Disagreement.
You know, I completely agree that the three months I've been editing here does not hold a candle to the multiple years you've been keeping an eye on the place. I'm not even going to hold up my edit count as an attempt to support the validity of any particular edit I make. And right now, this isn't even about the part where I strongly disagree that the whole 'character vs class' distinction is not only not wholly necessary, but annoying, confusing, and irritating (having multiple pages that functionally deal with the same person/creature/character/whatever).

"You go out of your way to note that they are different classes and have different properties...YET LIST THEM ON THE SAME PAGE ANYWAY. Guh."

I didn't deserve that. I have put far too much good work into this wiki for someone to yell-in-caps at me, in the edit history, without even paying attention to the source of the info. Looking at the history, http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Rival_(Player)?oldid=9306 the edit where the page was created is where the line about "Note: This class is completely different from Kurtis' enemy class. For that, see Rival (Enemy)" first appears. That data was already there. I didn't make it up. How would I know something like 'class A and class B are not the same'? Everything I do is either about rearranging information already here for an improved user experience, or about inputting info directly from a game or from an infobook (and an infobook, especially the D1 book, doesn't seem to do any sort of pointing out of what's the same and what's not). So why are you caps-yelling when the source of that information is a 5-year-old edit?

So I broke style, merged pages that style says should be separate. That deserves this sort of a reaction? From you, to me? Not just a 'you make the changes and/more-probably-or tell me to change it to match style' and then, I dunno, take your frustration up with me on my talk page or something? Barbara Prinny was making edits in the 48 hours before I showed up; I read the talk page record of what was said, and it made me terrified for like a solid four weeks that I was going to make some kind of tiny slip-up and you were going to bite my head off. Well now you've bitten, and I'm not terrified; I'm just hurt. And offended. My two-thousand-plus edits aren't a justification for 'what I did was automatically right,' but they are far past the minimum-required quantity for 'I deserve to have disagreements, even ones where I am/may be in the wrong, handled far better than this.'

I don't have much of a solution; I'm not asking for an apology, but I am asking for some better respect in the future. We finally have a third editor who's stuck around for more than like two days, is caps-yelling in edit history really the way we want people to see how this wiki works? Who wants to be part of a system where tiny infractions are handled by anvil-dropping?

I have to afk for a bit, probably several days. I got a bit burned out -- the D4 Humanoids had like five separate templates storing their data and I've had to write and rewrite the regex like ten times to deal with all the differences -- and I need to take care of a lot of irl stuff. I say this to specify that I'm not suddenly avoiding the site out of some petulant fit-throwing over a couple of edit histories. Even if this hadn't happened, I'd still be afk'ing. But I've said my piece. I hope you will give it honest consideration.

SannaSK (talk) 12:13, May 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * I didn't mean to yell, I meant it to empathize, since you can't do italics in the edit comments (I tried in the past). It was basically to show where "you knew this was wrong, but you did it anyway" (seriously, if the note that they are different classes predates your arrival...you really should have known better). I admit, I was more frustrated than I probably should have been, but wasn't acting out of hatred or malice. I wasn't speaking as an admin (seeing as I have no influence anyway) and was rather speaking as a frustrated guy who had to do clean up late at night and wanted to go to sleep soon. I'm sorry. Either way, I should have put more thought into what I said.
 * As for BarbaraPrinny, if I recall, she was kinda abrasive and really bad at taking criticism, and while I did blow my lid (...again), she was not only editing sloppily but her first reaction to any criticism was to basically tell me to fuck off. I'll be honest, when you showed up around the same time and likewise started making a lot of edits, I was scared that you'd likewise act the same way if I so much as disagreed on anything. When you were mostly helpful and willing to compromise and discuss, my fears were relieved...then I come back today and see you biting my head off over basically misunderstood tone and acting like I'm a steel fisted tyrant who bites heads off. Dude, ouch. Not cool.
 * While I probably shouldn't have been so grumpy at the time, do know that I have the utmost respect and admiration for you as an editor (since, after all, you basically fixed this wiki singlehandly and all) and I don't want there to be any ill will. I mean, you pretty much made every template and fixed the existing templates to work twice as good, fixed up the format for a lot of pages, and did CSS work which I don't even understand today. You are helpful and friendly (and talkative), and I feel the wiki is in good hands.
 * I hope your real life stuff goes well and I'm sorry you got burnt out in D4 stuff. You've done a lot as it is, don't worry.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:47, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * You know all those times I said I really needed to afk for a few days, and then didn't? Yeah... as non-literally as irl-things can be on fire, they are on fire. I have been gone for a week, and I might need to be gone for another one if I have any hope of digging myself out of the mess I allowed to happen. I'm not ignoring this wiki.... I'm just royally screwed. Yay me.
 * I read the edits. I typed up about twelve paragraphs (because of course I did). I copied most of them out to a text file. Were they pertinent? Were they necessary? Were they useful? Maybe. The only really important one left is this:
 * "I didn't mean to yell, I meant it to empathize (sic > emphasize), since you can't do italics in the edit comments (I tried in the past)" -- ... ok, even now that you've said that, it's still.... I mean, surely you understand that nobody else is going to know you don't see yourself as yelling, right? Caps lock on the Internet means three things: Yelling, Grandma, and Cruise Control. Since you're too smart for Cruise Control and I doubt you're a Grandma, that leaves Yelling. So at what point was I (or any other user) supposed to know you weren't 'actually' yelling, if the thing you are doing (the caps) is... code for yelling?
 * I've edited this paragraph/concept about three times, and I can't say this without making it into a 'you' statement. The best I can say is, "I understand your logic (now that you've explained it), but your logic is flawed." Caps means yelling. If you don't intend to look like you're yelling, and-slash-or if you want people to interpret what you say as 'something other than yelling,' then you need to use something other than caps. I'm sorry if that's harsh or blunt, but there it is, and it is true.
 * I, too, don't want there to be any ill will between us, because I do believe this wiki can be slick and schwank (and, with the possible exception of g-faqs, better than those other 'info' sites), and I enjoy editing it and making templates and taking un-spiffy pages and making them spiffy. (Clearly I enjoy the process way more than I should -- *looks at the pile of irl-things which are on not-literal fire*.) I respect the fact that you've been here for so long; even things that I've spent a large portion of my life doing, eventually those seasons came to a close and in the long run (and it better not be soon, I have a mental to-do list the size of... the irl-to-do list), I'm assuming my season here will end. /That's/ a (small) part of the reason I didn't ask to be admin. I respect your seniority, and I know and appreciate that you value my work here. That's why it was so strange that suddenly you were yelling at me, that's why it hurt. If I thought I'd deserved to be your wiki-equal, I'd have asked to be an admin. I didn't, in part because I don't see myself as that. I mean, there's about eight reasons why I asked for Engineer and not Admin, and that's probably #2 on the list.
 * If the other paragraphs matter to you, I'll post them. If you want to continue this conversation via email, I have a gmail, which you can probably guess. Otherwise, I think/assume we've both explained our thought processes, and while I technically have quite a bit more to say on the matter (because of /course/ I do :s ), the most germane thing was said. If you want to leave this section on your talk page or delete it, I have no opinion either way. I will keep working on putting the fires out and try to come back sometime this week.
 * SannaSK (talk) 04:14, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * Look. I don't get it. You don't just go out of your way to say "your logic is flawed over caps lock being emphasis." and I doubt my boyfriend is even saying you were ignoring the wiki. He just thought that hey, you keep mentioning irl stuff and how you'd be AFK, so that's it. Really. You're putting more thought to things than it should, though you're justified for thinking as such.


 * Things wouldn't have gotten this personal if you should have just asked him to. Why are you hesistant to post your other thoughts? No one is judging you. I doubt it's even conflict if you guys are communicating and there is purportedly no ill-will. The internet is an open place, there's little to no privacy here, so I think I have the right to butt in.


 * But seriously. If you think his logic is flawed over using capslock for emphasis, which totally everyone over the internet knows, and get hurt by simply using freaking capslock, you need to get skin thicker. It's just capslock, yelling doesn't mean a person is mad, and being mad doesn't mean the person is acting childish. Having a temper is OKAY, it's how a person resolves it. Or else a lot of CEOs,  politicians and people of high-standing are childish.


 * Honestly, it looks like you're being passive-aggressive. What do you want him to do? Apologize and admit he's wrong? He already apologized over what he thought he's wrong. It does sound like yelling, but in his defense "it isn't yelling". Since he said it isn't, it isn't. I don't think it's appropriate to email someone you've just met on the wiki this fast. :l He never even deleted stuff on the wiki, though I did, because I don't want to butt in between your issues.


 * But this makes me mad. Who are you to say his logic is flawed? All of  our logic makes sense in some way to each of us, deal with it. I don't need he needs to stick to conventional wisdom over what is logical and not. I don't think you're in any place to basically say he isn't being logical.


 * Calm down. You never clarified over what is wrong with the system and how things are ran with the wiki, just because you felt like he'd throw tantrums over everyone he made a mistake with. Read other users comments. One of them even said Otherarrow is the best admin. He only got mad a few times, until he apologized.


 * He's exaggerating over how much he sucks. :p


 * Just because he's been long or an admin in the wiki, doesn't mean he thinks he's better than the other users. In wikia, admins are just given more tools to be able to edit in the wiki. If you want to be an admin and make a lot of changes than other users, then be one. You can even request to be one.Take initiative, don't wait for someone else to do it or else you'd "keep being disappointed with the system". I don't know, but you look like you have little idea what an admin is. People might just think you're the one with answers, and you might not want that responsibility but simply redirect them to Otherarrow then? You're dismissing a good idea before it happened. I mean, I'm a bcat and admin in two wikis. But I'm the only user. Admins don't even resolve users conflict, really. You don't get as much benefits than other users, anyway. Aside from blocking. =_=


 * Again, they're just users with more tools, being able to upload ten photos at once! And revert changes, in case you didn't notice you made a mistake. At least that's what I do. :l


 * Eh. I think I butted in way too much. I'm kind of stressed out with real life stuff, too. :( The Tomato Fairy (talk) 04:58, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * Tomato said most of what I meant to say, and probably better. The main thing I have to add is that my seniority really doesn't make me better. I just happen to stubbornly stick around longer (thought that could be attributed to the lack of real life things distracting me ^^;;). However in terms of discussion I lack the experience or knowing of wiki working to say any more than "well, back in the day..." which may not be actually helpful and may be even harmful (see also, how reluctant I was to Tier-to-Class, how reluctant I was on the new forums...). Since you pretty much fixed up the wiki and did more to get the ball rolling on progress than I did after years of moderation, yes, I consider you my wiki equal, at the very least. I am glad that you don't just ignore me entirely and are willing to take my opinions into account, but I like to think it's not because I'm "the boss" but because I'm another user working alongside you and hey, community!
 * And again, no one is blaming you for not rushing back to the wiki. Real life is a thing! Go ahead and deal with the things metaphorically on fire. We'll be glad to welcome you back when you return. (also, email? No. That's for personal use only.)--Otherarrow (talk) 05:39, May 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't feel you're butting in. Girlfriend>fiancee is a significant role in a person's life, and if you have concerns, I will respect you and address them.
 * I don't know why the word 'childish' is on the table. Let's take it off the table. Even when I was mad/hurt, I never involved the word 'childish'. And now that I understand what happened, I am even further away from the concept of 'childish'. This was/is about miscommunication, not petulance.
 * "Why are you hesistant to post your other thoughts? No one is judging you." I am a verbose person. I have a /lot/ of thoughts. OA has spent the last three months reading quite a bit of my verbosity. Sometimes it's because I 'think out loud' by typing things out. Sometimes it's that there's a proposed change (I'm thinking of the fire/ice/wind resistances) that I initially think can't be done, type up a lot of stuff about it, and then realize after hitting post that it can be done. I asked if he cared to read the rest, because maybe he's tired of wading through my word count. As it turns out, it's probably ok that I didn't post it, because of what you said about what it means (and doesn't mean) to be an admin on a Wikia. What you said is actually /far/ different from every other place/system I have been involved with; so in some senses, you have answered some of my questions without me having to ramble out my assumptions. I put a great deal of value in the concept of being an admin, and in the fact that OA has been one for so long. It is... very new to me, that 'admin' means (so much) 'less' here than it does elsewhere.
 * "using capslock for emphasis, which totally everyone over the internet knows" - this might be the core of the issue. In the nearly twenty years I've been on the internet (brb crying because old), I have only seen capslock mean, as I mentioned above, "the user is a grandma who doesn't know how to internet," "the user is a silly person who doesn't know how to internet ('cruise control for cool')", or "the user is yelling." (Not included are non-speech instances of text, such as sections headers, that may be capitalized.) Capslock has never been widely used as a substitute for italics. That's why I said his logic is flawed. You asked 'who am I' to say this, and I would reply that it isn't me, but it's everyone. Communication is fueled by consensus.
 * "It does sound like yelling, but in his defense "it isn't yelling"." Let's take a hypothetical man or woman named Bobby/Bobbi. Bobby/i tends to say that s/he likes to 'hug things to death.' Bobby/i's friends know that s/he isn't going to actually hug something to actual death, that it's just a quirk of his/her speech. One day, Bobby/i meets Mary and her, i dunno, small adorable puppy. Bobby/i asks to hug the puppy, and says "I'm going to hug him to death!" Mary takes the puppy back and is horrified. Bobby/i is upset, because /obviously/ s/he didn't mean s/he was going to kill the puppy, why can't Mary see that? Mary is upset because the specific language Bobby/i used means something quite clear and quite bad. Who is in the wrong? Is Mary wrong for being upset that this person sounded like s/he was going to kill her pet? Is Bobby/i wrong for using language in a non-consensus, localized way?
 * There's nothing bad about slang between friends who are in the know; I've probably forgotten more 'localized speech patterns' than I could count. But once the speaker gets outside the small in-the-know group, it is the speaker's responsibility to communicate in ways that the listener understands. OA has explained that he wasn't going to hug the puppy to actual death. Even now that I understand that, that does not put me in the wrong for understanding that caps meant he was yelling. You asked what I 'want'; if there's anything I can say I 'want' out of this exchange, it's for OA to realize that in the future, if he wants to emphasize but not actually yell, he needs to not use caps. OR, if he does use caps in this way, don't be surprised if, in the future, someone else also believes they are being yelled at.
 * "yelling doesn't mean a person is mad" - I... don't even know what to say about this. I mean sure, I can think of situations where an individual speaks at a high volume and isn't actually mad: a coach who needs to project his/her voice; a parent cautioning his/her child from doing something dangerous; cheering for something, ie sports. But those situations don't apply here. I'm really curious now, between all these things the two of you have said... is there something irl-cultural going on? Do you come from a place where yelling actually doesn't mean the speaker is angry? Where caps really doesn't mean yelling? Because you keep saying 'he wasn't yelling, he wasn't mad, he expresses temper but that's different than being mad at you,' and... all of that is just /such/ a different paradigm. I don't know why and I won't ask (those sentences that were phrased as questions just now, treat them as hypothetical), but at this point, I'm going to guess that the two of you are part of an irl culture/sub-culture where these things are true (yelling doesn't mean anger, etc), even though those things are not true for many other cultures. Another option: you conflate 'emphasis' and 'yelling' (in that a person can 'emphasize/yell' but not be 'mad'), you don't distinguish between the two, so from your point of view, you don't necessarily understand why I perceive I was yelled at. In short, it still boils down to miscommunication, and probably of the 'localized speech patterns vs a larger para-whole' variety.
 * "You never clarified over what is wrong with the system and how things are ran with the wiki" - do you mean, I haven't yet said what it was I was trying to test when I put the class info on the character page? That's another thing I started typing up last night, then felt it was insufficiently pertinent. What I should have done, two weeks ago or whenever, was type up the forum post /like I meant to/, and /then/ do the class-into-character test. Instead, in an attempt to stave off D4-Hum-T2C burnout, I did the test first and got waylaid with crap before getting the forum post up. Then OA goes through and changes it and types stuff in all caps, and just happens to do that at the same time irl-crap turns into a not-literal bonfire... and now here we are. To a great extent, I am intentionally not discussing that here because it /ought/ to go into a forum thread.
 * Lastly: to me, email isn't so terribly personal. I have a specific gmail set up that /isn't/ my personal email, for exactly the reason of 'maybe somebody wants to talk to me and i don't want to give them my personal email.' I understand not everyone does that. I won't mention it to you again.
 * Anyway, if you, Tomato Fairy (which I specify because I'm gathering from OA's comments that he feels the matter is concluded), feel anything isn't resolved and you wish to discuss further, I will do so. I will now go type up the forum post that I should have done a while ago. Things on fire won't continue to burn till Monday morning anyway.
 * SannaSK (talk) 17:42, May 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * Set the world on fire. Obligatory music between all the fire metaphors going on.


 * I used the word childish, because...I forgot. :l Probably because of how you kept asserting over how wrong he is? Don't trust me over this explanation.


 * ...Just because I find yelling in a different context, doesn't mean culture is an influence here. It depends over the background and personality over the people in question: whether they are assertive or submissive, or coercive or accepting.


 * I've met people who simply talks loud, due to being hard of hearing and what-not. My deceased relative, mom and I argue a lot over how they sound more mad than they should, and how, despite my constant scolding over how they should use a better tone, speak softer. Never did. One of which were of high standing in their offices, and my relative's explanation is due to her thinking that people would take her more seriously by using a louder, commanding tone.


 * I've also heard of an explanation over how speech and word usage affects how people deal with them. By talking into a softer tone, but slowly speaks louder and crisper, the listener would pay attention to what you were saying more. Basically, it's emphasis.


 * And besides, since you'd been talking to Otherarrow for three months already, you should have at the very least, gave him the benefit of the doubt. I still don't think it's appropriate to talk to him on a one-on-one basis through e-mail, but it's mostly our trust issues. Especially mine. Sorry.


 * My dog's brother just died a few days. I deleted that reason over why I was stressed out over. Here is my dog, Garlic. With your example, I don't see how anyone will be wrong. People need to learn to adapt to each specific person, than as a consensus.


 * One person likes using a term that would mean a different way towards the norm. The other person realized what the other person actually meant, and would deal accordingly after it happens. The receiver adapts to it, and either understand what the intent is, or force the other person to mold with the common usage.


 * The flaw with adopting to what people normally mean, is that it doesn't give a chance for people who don't fit with the acceptable category. Things aren't as black and white, you know? It's also very specific to the individual. I don't know, just accept the difference, express the hurt and move on? There's a whole lot of other things to worry over, like the class pages and what is acceptable or not.


 * I understand how you reacted that way due to bad irl stuff, but well...it was kind of shocking.


 * Don't worry over heading to the forums. I don't think it's necessary to worry where to hold a discussion in. I don't edit much in the wiki to have much of a say. I've the type to stand up for him, and vice-versa. Even  on internet stuff. ^^;


 * I felt the same way, when I realized he was an admin. We first talked in the forums till I saw him here while looking at Fire Emblem and Disgaea stuff, and I'm the same way over having way too much thoughts. I don't mind letting it out with people I trust, and I think they do like me more when I do so.


 * Wikia does handle admin powers differently than other forums and stuff. Now you know! The Tomato Fairy (talk) 03:57, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

You know, this is entirely my fault that I didn't realize this sooner. You say you don't think "culture is an influence here", but as I was going to sleep last night, it suddenly popped up in my head: that's exactly what this is. It's cultural miscommunication. And I should have known better.

Before I took the 'Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages' (TESOL) certification course, I had only run across this concept once before (so it's not at all out of the ordinary that most people haven't heard of this), when I was a young teen. It made sense, but it wasn't a big part of anything in my life, so I forgot about it. Then it shows up in the TESOL course, and it made a lot of sense, and it's actually bad that I let it get so far in the back of my mind this time. When it comes to conversation styles, cultures can generally be grouped into 3 categories: bowling, basketball, or rugby. ( also this link, a bit more geared towards TESOL instructors. ) These aren't settings on a dial, but more of a scale, and a culture or sub-culture or local group could be said to be 'mostly bowling and a little bit basketball,' for example. I've spent the majority of my adult life dealing with 'bowling' and 'basketball' cultures, and... well, this wiki, it's an American/British-language wiki on a site (Wikia) that I'm pretty sure is hosted in and served out of America, and the content of the wiki deals with a game that is created in Japan. I was not expecting to interact with rugby culture here. And especially considering I have my TESOL certification? That is shame on me for taking this long to put all this together.
 * 'Bowling' cultures, of which Japanese is often held up as the ur-example, emphasize that one person speaks at a time; the order of who goes first, who goes next, etc, is usually quite firm, frequently in order of seniority, and emotions are almost always held in check or subdued.
 * 'Basketball' cultures, which 'average' American culture tends to be, is more fast-paced; only one person speaks at a time, in the same way that in the game of basketball, only one person can have the ball, but the ball can be passed -- when one person stops speaking, it's acceptable for the next person to start talking right away, with not even a second's delay -- and sometimes stolen. Sometimes interrupting is rude, yes, but sometimes it's just the course of conversation. Emotions can be displayed, but not to extremes without a reason.
 * 'Rugby' cultures, often said to be Greek or Latin American or some African cultures, are extremely fast-paced; perhaps multiple speakers speak at once, overlapping or 'talking over' is frequent and not frowned upon, and emotions can run high and that's just (fairly) normal.

You come from a 'rugby' culture, don't you? At least Tomato and maybe OA too. Or at least something that is much closer to 'rugby' than 'standard, average, American culture'. Or a subset of American culture that is much more rugby than average. That's how you can say 'loud voice doesn't mean yelling,' 'yelling doesn't mean anger,' how yelling and emphasis are conflated, and all these things are, in fact, actually correct. I wasn't expecting rugby, but because I have a TESOL cert, I should have figured this out far sooner than I did. For that, I apologize. (Really, the 'he's yelling but he's not mad at you' should have been what clued me into it. *shakes head* I should have put two and two together so much sooner.)

That question is rhetorical, I'm not actually expecting either of you to start posting on the internet "I'm from such-and-such;" I just mean that I really think this miscommunication is far more culturally-influenced than I was initially reading it as, and because of my background, I made the mistake in not recognizing sooner what was going on. Again, for that, I apologize.

SannaSK (talk) 12:54, May 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * Please stop. You really are making a mountain out of a molehill and it's getting stressful to come here and have you still rambling about and trying to justify this "yelling" thing day after day. Please, just chill and relax, OK? It's not a big deal and not worth getting worked up over. We all have a lot of other things going on.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:40, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Stop making a big deal out of things. I'm Asian, more Chinese in fact and my culture is Bowling. He's not. Please stop. It's already making me insecure. It's not culiturally based, okay? The Tomato Fairy (talk) 20:38, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Seventy One-Twelve
At this point, I'm seriously tempted to just not worry about what's going on with those edits, and to just keep an eye and make sure nothing gets wonked up on a page that isn't about D5. Let's keep reaching out on his talk page, see if we can get him to understand that there's Style to try to follow; I figure either eventually he'll run out of things to post, or maybe he'll read the Style Guide and start following a bit better. It's one thing to post ... interesting... edits to pages that didn't exist before or are hair-thin, but if he starts ganking up pages that are correctly styled (I saw the thing where he took out the ((Main|)) you posted, which at this point I'm giving benefit of doubt that he hasn't read Style Guide), then we can be... /stern/.

Hahhh I just had a great idea. I'm not sure if Engr has the permissions to edit the file, if I can't, I'll come back and let you know; but that thing with the blue popup box that shows up in the corner, remember we set that up before doing the Spotlight. I'll try to make it say something about "If you haven't read the Style Guide, now is a great time to check it out!" If he's really using all 3 of those IPs himself, it will show up 3 times, so mayyybeee he just doesn't know it exists. My benefit-of-doubt meter isn't empty yet.....

But anyway, you know what I mean? Let's just 'draw a circle' around this guy, and let him do his stuff; as long as he's not actively hurting anything we've set up, let's just let him do this thing and try to get through to him about Style. I... hope this works. Haha.

SannaSK (talk) 13:59, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

One-ninety-two One-oh-seven
Sorry i was the best i can cause in my defense the information i got for most of this was somehow a bit messed up, im mean really their was another evility for the samurai called sperm game. as well as the professors evility called new drug input, so yeah my bad. i mean really who ever made that website is either not good with the right japanese words or just plain stupid so yeah my bad. so dont blame me blame the information i got from that site i was called http://disgaea5/index.php when i was searching for disgaea 5 evility on that site.

except for the disgaea 5 spells list i was right on the disgaea 5 spells up to tera cause i found that on youtube the of that name was in japanese but i believe it was the elemental magic skill exhibition.

not ot mention im still waiting to try editing the catsaber, sea angel, and the ifrit because when i saw disgaea 5 walkthrough/ending i saw ifrits in disgaea 5 magichanging with the dark knights when they were with void the main antagonist in disgaea 5 sort of not to mention he is a post game character too.

and here is some magichange information for the disgaea 5 monster classes

Prinny : Sword.

Minotaur : Bow.

Imp : Gun.

Succubus : Gun.

Shroom : either a Staff or a Spear i can't tell, really.

Sea angel :either a Staff or a Spear as well.

grizzly : Fist.

phantom : Spear.

ifrit : Axe.

i just really whis their was a way to know every information about all disgaea 5 classes and weapons and/ or evility information as well.

You know, I'm face-palming so much with the way you're handling all this. Can you stop focusing over how wrong his articles is, and focus over what you can do to help? Sure, this person does bad edits (with all the flaws you pointed out), but why would you dampen down the enthusiasm that rarely happens in the first place? I remember wanting to get more editors, but this is beyond me over why you would think of "keeping an eye" over the guy.
 * Hopefully this formatting I'm doing is ok, because I think 192.107's comments are... not part of the previous section?
 * 192.107, the site you linked... that's not a real link. Do you mean 'http://wikinavi.net/disgaea5/index.php'? I googled, that was linked in a gamefaqs thread. You mentioned youtubes, are there any specific ones you can link us?
 * I want to point out, I'm glad that this site is gaining information it didn't have before, but throwing all this spaghetti at the wall and hoping some of it sticks is not quite the best way to do it. You say the information you're getting is badly formatted, and that's one thing, but there's more to it than just that. You can alter the wording, you can make it read better in English; sure, there are times for direct quotes, but this isn't one of them.
 * I strongly encourage you to read the Style Guide for Class (Game) Pages; some of it doesn't apply to what you're doing (the tabber-tierstats), but some of it does. Please also read the comment I left here http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:70.112.246.146?curid=8892&diff=36204&oldid=36155 and see if you can fold some of that into the edits you make. (I can't tell if you and 70.112 are the same user or not. Although this is by no means required, I would encourage you to make a username and log in when you make edits. If nothing else, it will give you a single talk page to use ^_^.)
 * SannaSK (talk) 15:54, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

I seriously do not know why you're policing editors over what they should and should not do. I find it rude that you call someone else's English grammar not that good, nor comparing the amount of information put in as a spaghetti in the wall.

Telling someone to read the guide and do better edits is one thing. Your patronizing tone over how wrong he did things disguised as concern, and trying to be friendly is seriously iffing me off -- especially right after complaining about the guy and how you compared it as "Spaghetti in the wall". Sorry. I know I don't know much about the game, and how the incomplete and articles not following the format makes the wiki look sloppy, but no need to confront the newcomer? Way to dissuade a new person to help out.

Besides, this isn't even an admin's job to handle the dispute. He's already aware of the blunders, but he's taking pro-active steps towards it. Likewise myself, if I feel like I can help. Help rarely comes in, after-all, so just welcome it? When I was new to the wikia, that guide would first appear intimidatng to me. But I learnt as I went on editing, kinda? Maybe I'm projecting to the sloppy edits over how much I think I suck at English, but I like the D5 wiki. There's so much potential to it, especially once I do get the game myself.

I remember kind of trying to make out text from a Japanese wiki myself, and it was...kind of hard trying to decipher it. So I didn't appreciate the meanness. Unlike a certain wiki who ban editors who have bad English, I don't want the same to happen here! :(

Besides, once the English guide comes out, the information can be put in the wiki better. There are also incomplete DD2 stuff on here, like Dragon.

Sorry again. Besides, I'm speaking as an editor, and not the fiancee of an admin. --The Tomato Fairy (talk) 14:46, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

Uploaded D5 images and fixed some articles
Sweetheart! This is for you when you wake up! Because my sleep is outta whack.

I fixed a few articles and uploaded some images from here, and turned it transparent. Put sprites on the "Gallery" like how it was with nine-tailed fox. I found D5 Celestial Host artwork and cut-in image that I'm sure you'd like! If it has both the sprite and the artwork itself, I'd add it on some of it.

I'm pumped up for the D5 game! Lots of cute and neat artwork! Plot that looks to be quite interesting! I'll wait for your rambling!

Though I didn't like Silica, Fuka and the D1 gang being slipped in right there because I don't see their relevance over the current plot at all. Eh. Don't judge a book by its cover. I hope this would make you happy and less stressed-out.

I love you so much! Remember to eat breakfast and lunch! Tuturu~ (n -n)/ --The Tomato Fairy (talk) 15:12, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, that's some lovely finds. Sprites and artwork and cut-ins already, wow! Looks like D5 is reusing art for returning classes and characters with older games, but the rest seems to be new. Good for me!
 * I wouldn't worry about the cameo characters, as I think they are all DLC? Bit odd (since who will be in the post game), but I can see your point about them being out of place thematically.
 * And this did make me happy! I love you too sweetie!--Otherarrow (talk) 19:06, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * EDIT:Looking at the upload log, it seems an earlier user uploaded a ton of D5 image content...and then didn't do anything with them. Well, I found my Disgaea Wiki mini-project of the day...--Otherarrow (talk) 19:13, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

Delete File : --01.gif

 * Thanks to you for the correction of my mistake about the file 01. I didn't manage to delete the file and I don't know where the option is. Could you tell me where on my talk page how to do this ? So that, I could correct my erros ;).

Thanks again.

Tumithae (talk) 00:43, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

well im trying, just gettining the hang of it possibly

okay listen i get it, im not forcing you to help me it's your choice not mine, but could you at least teaxh me how to do it right, thats all i'm asking....
 * I don't like seeing the wiki being messed up. Anyway, your problem is less that you don't know how to do it, but 1.you keep misspelling the parameters and not double checking your work to make sure everything is put in right, 2.leaving the templates half implemented (not even half finished, half implemented), and most heinous of all to me 3.actually removing the written content when you add your templates. For starters, look at the pages where the template is properly implemented if you need help on the format or code. That's what I do when I need to learn a template or just a refresher on how it works. Also, the templates go at the top of the page, not the bottom. I'm sorry if I'm getting worked up, but could you please try to listen? Also, sign your posts with --~ --Otherarrow (talk) 19:27, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

okay now i know, but for the record i did not know abbout mispelling at all, but dont you and everyone else worry i'll make sure to do some modifications on that hopefully
 * Good to hear. Keep up the good work.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:12, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

okay now i know, but i'm wasn't worried about it i thought everyone else would be worried about it.

i've tried making an account 10 times but they won,t let me in
 * Weird. Anyway, sign your damn posts. I only told you like three times.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

okay look, i tried to sign up 10 timezs already but no matter what they won't let me in. plus i've tried to edit picture in those things but they won't let me either.

Disgaea 4 Enemy-Only Evilities
Should I make a list of enemy-exclusive Evilities for Disgaea 4? I ask because I've seen some Evilities that are only used by enemy units such as Physical Malice and Idol Assist. DokutaFutomimi (talk) 14:22, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's an idea! Enemy only Evilities are important to note. Hrm. Maybe make a section of the D4 Evility page for them, noting who gets them in the table?--Otherarrow (talk) 14:43, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

dude, your not gonna believe this... but the shaman is in disgaea 5, but as a downloadable content.

both seraphina and usalia class i found out is from youtube type disgaea 5 vs bloodis NA version extreme spoilers
 * So in other words, you don't have a source and want me to do your research for you. Get a real source, and when you do, move the existing pages instead of making new ones. Seriously. We don't need two page for the same class.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:49, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I actually did look it up, not from some Youtube video that you claim to have seen but can't actually provide, but the actual official site. May this be a lesson for you: Especially with a unreleased game, cite your sources for any localization change. You just making redundant pages and saying "well, I saw a Youtube video once" just won't cut it, we need something real that the other users can see.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:56, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Affiliations
Hello! I'm from the FCB Wiki. I would like to request to be affiliated with your wiki. Here is our wordmark. Thanks!

Wikia Fall/Winter Games Guide
Hey there Otherarrow, hope all has been well!

Wanted to stop by and let you know that Wikia is going to create a Fall/Winter Games Guide article feature that showcases some exciting games for players to expect in the coming months.

Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance will be on the list! We wanted to visit a few communities featured on the list and ask a few major admins/contributors what they love about the game/franchise, what they are looking forward to in the next installment, or why players should give the game a chance. Your quote/username could be highlighted in the feature!

If you're interested, leave me a reply with your quote (1-3 sentences) about the game. Thanks so much and have a good one! TheBlueRogue •(profile)•(talk)•(doug@wikia-inc.com) 17:38, September 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the lateness.
 * The thing I always enjoyed about the series is the quirky cast of characters and the often silly, yet occasionally serious story they occupy. I also always enjoyed building an army of demons to fight alongside my favorite characters and grinding them all up until they can sling out the big damage numbers. So if you enjoy tactical RPGs, eccentric yet moving characters, and ridiculous stat inflation, go ahead and try Disgaea.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:14, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Demo and Evilities
I have a question regarding the Unique Evilities of Killia, Seraphina, and Red Magnus  I know what they are because of the demo I just don't have an image that shows the description so I can confirm it on here for everyone else. Should I wait to find one or just put the information since its straight from the demo?
 * If it's straight from the demo, folks will be able to verify, so go ahead then.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:51, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Hey dude, i hope you and everyone else likes this it took sort of like a few months or two but i finally did it all for you the unique skill for the humanoid classes and unique skills for the main characters and evilities as well.

Here, ive added some more stuff into here
 * Thanks! You don't have to report for me for everything. Also, again sign your posts with --~ . I've only told you a thousand times.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:00, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

look, i tried signing in like a thousand times but everytime i signed in, it keeps saying it wont reconize me.
 * Literally all you have to do is type --~ at the end of your posts. You don't have to actually sign in. Actually read my posts, I told you this multiple times. You are really wearing down my patience, sorry.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:30, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

So I am not sure how to make the change. But there's a slight mistake in Killia's unique skills. He learns Exploding Tiger at level 8 then Hellfire shot. Avida Holy Water (Not sure how its spelled) is learned during the story so no level. Same for Macrocosm.

Frostsouls (talk) 03:33, October 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is anything special you need to do, just change up what is in the table. But thanks, I'll fix it.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:22, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Disgaea template
Is there a reason why Zettai Hero Project: Unlosing Ranger VS. Darkdeath Evilman uses the redirect in the template instead of it's actual pagename? If not, perhaps we should change it to the actual pagename so the name will appear in black (or whatever color the wiki uses) when the page is viewed. Fei noh a  Talk 13:51, October 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that's a remnant of before it was at the current page name, so by all means it should be changed. I think there was some confusion on my end on which was the English name (as I've no knowledge of the game), which might have contributed to that.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:50, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

Help with editing
I'm currently having trouble editing the D1 templates for skills and reincarnation costs. For (monster) skills, I'm unsuccessfully attempting to both add "/Description" to the "Range" column, and add the description inside, italicized, as seen here: Angel (Flonne). With reincarnation costs I don't understand the template at all.

Sadly Template:ReincarnationCosts and Template:DisgaeaMonsterAbilityChart weren't enough for me to understand. Help would be much appreciated (I mostly use source editor), thanks in advance! --Sythion (talk) 18:12, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * For reincarnation costs, I honestly don't know, as I usually don't have access to that information. EDIT:I think it works by you just input the number for the first cost and the template calculates the rest (as they tend to go in a pattern).
 * For the monster templates (and indeed, in general when I don't know how a template works), I look at the source of a page that has it implemented and work from there. In other words, look for pages that have the ReincarnationCosts and AbilityChart templates fully filled out, and look at them in the editor. Hope that helps!--Otherarrow (talk) 18:21, October 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * Reincarnation works perfectly fine, I feel silly now.
 * It seems that the DisgaeaMonsterAbilityChart doesn't support descriptions properly, as I've discovered by looking through all the classpages for monsters in D1 and D2.
 * As I don't wish replaced the existing tables with the humanoid chart I'll simply add them in "manually" as can now be seen on the Spirit_(Disgaea) page (not sure how to make the text smaller).
 * I was wondering about adding Japanese/Romanji names and was unsure if a source (JP game version of the game) was needed or if a translator would suffice. Once more, thanks in advance! --Sythion (talk) 19:06, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * Didn't know about the monster template not accepting descriptions. Huh.
 * I think it would depend on if the class name is the same in both languages. Is there a way to check?--Otherarrow (talk) 19:24, October 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * Unlike the humanoid one the monster template simply isn't coded to accept descriptions, it's also why the column only has "Range" for a title.
 * While there's likely a way to check names, I don't know it. Looking at other class pages it seems that many only have the Japanese and Romanji names for the first tier, or totally lack them but don't have "incomplete table" template and are not part of the "Articles with Incomplete Tables" category.--Sythion (talk) 19:34, October 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * I was wondering if I should continue tagging class pages without names or if it's trivial/not worth the effort enough that there's no need? --Sythion (talk) 12:28, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it's fine. While not high priority, it's something good to have and to let editors know we need, you know?--Otherarrow (talk) 17:29, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Gaming footer
Is it okay for the Disgaea Wiki to be listed on the new Wikia gaming footer? Fei noh a  Talk 20:47, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Page not found. Though I don't see why not? Free linkage.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:07, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * I fixed it, the link had and an extra slash at the beginning. Fei noh a  Talk 22:07, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hey,

could you please look for Disgaea 2 Robot, Great Wyrm and Deathsaber sprites?

There are also the level-conditions missing... I miss them evertime I level them up ^^

Thanks,

Cris

Info
Yo, this is that ex-troublesome user DarkWarriorFear of a long time ago. Well I'd like to ask if the recent information is okay to be left there? Mind checking?  Death's Santa<rt>死デスの公衆衛生局</rt> </rp>  (<font color="Black" face="Swiss">Going To Give You A Present ) 03:18, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Hi! I'm glad I can help out. The reason I renamed some of those D5 class pages is because I'm trying to stay consistent with what the game actually calls them, and I am using the glossary primarily as you mentioned. It actually calls them the same thing in the recruiter as well, though, it's just the rank names that make everything super confusing. For example, I was looking on the Category:Disgaea_5_Classes for "Celestial Host" and it wasn't there, and for a moment I thought there wasn't a page for it. Then I realized it was under "Male Celestial Host". Since I don't have the DLC, I wasn't really aware there was a Female Celestial Host. I was just trying to make it more user-friendly.

There are a few more I would like to rename, but I'll leave that up to you:

Ifrit (Disgaea 5) should be Dragon King.

Kunoichi (Disgaea 5) - is this the same as Ninja? There are two pages in there. I didn't do that. (basically the reason I wanted to rename the others)

Minotaur (Disgaea 5) should be Nether Noble.

I'm a little new to coding with the template language (although I'm a web programmer by trade), so I'm hoping I don't break anything. I don't think I have yet, but it's hard to be sure. I will definitely take a look at the HumClassSpellChart and try to make it work for D5. I'm adding stats for now, then sprites, which I have. Someone should probably add Evilities as well, I might get to collecting those later.

Kethlak (talk) 04:24, January 23, 2016 (UTC)Kethlak
 * Yeah, the whole "two classes with the same name" thing can be hard to search, but this has been a problem since the first game (if anything, it has gotten easier since latter games are willing to give different names to different gendered counterparts). Celestial Host is the odd exception, as the class has always referred to the female variant (even in the male version's debut) until now.
 * Ifrit got renamed again? Weird. Well, be sure to link the Main to...whatever the main is at. I don't even know anymore.
 * Kunoichi is a different class than Ninja. The female variant, it's basically a DLC class and has been such since 4.
 * Minotaur is back to Nether Noble? Man, this is just like Clergy where NISA can't decide on a name.
 * Nah, it's OK. Do what you can, and thanks.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:56, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Now that I have the DLC, I can see that "Celestial Host" is the name of the male class, and "Celestial Hostess" is the name of the female class. So you might want to rename the pages to reflect that.

Kethlak (talk) 04:13, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Hello
Can I ask you for something?AlexHoskins (talk) 14:06, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

I Would love to add pages for the Charcters and add some the info I can add photos and add some descrption of charcters if you like to help me for the witch and the hundered knight. thank you for the message. :)
 * As The Witch and the Hundred Knight is not in of itself a Disgaea game, only characters who appear in Disgaea fit in our scope (so, Metallia basically). However, you are free to try to sneak some short bios (or even pictures) on the main WaHK page, other "non-Disgaea" games like Makai Kingdom or La Pucelle have done similar if I recall.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:16, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Gig
Ah, my bad for asking for permission...But I wanted to make sure it was fine to add those, y'know. <font color="Crimson" face="Copperplate Gothic Bold"> Nameless Knight</rb></rp><rt>名も無きん者騎士</rt> </rp>  (<font color="Black" face="Algerian">SUMMON ME ) 01:18, July 8, 2016 (UTC)

The information I added was too speculative? <font color="Crimson" face="Copperplate Gothic Bold"> Nameless Knight</rb></rp><rt>名も無きん者騎士</rt> </rp>  (<font color="Black" face="Algerian">SUMMON ME ) 19:57, July 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah. We know "Tyrant=stupidly strong" but we don't know how Valvatorez stacks against other Tyrants, not to mention non-Tyrant demons of a similar power scale (such as Zenon or full power Hugo, who is explicitly stated to be around Tyrant Valzy's level of power).--Otherarrow (talk) 20:02, July 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmmm, I see. My bad for jumping to conclusions. Thanks for the heads-up. <font color="Crimson" face="Copperplate Gothic Bold"> Nameless Knight</rb></rp><rt>名も無きん者騎士</rt> </rp>  (<font color="Black" face="Algerian">SUMMON ME ) 20:47, July 11, 2016 (UTC)

Locations?
Hey,

I noticed on your user page that one of your to do's is "make more location pages". So far, I've encountered "maps", "area maps" and "locations" as different categories, but I'm not quite sure how these are all different. It looks like "area maps" are only the pictures (media), whereas "maps" are the fandom map-pages covering ingame information. Are locations then areas that are bundling several maps together? For example: stellar graveyard ("location") containing several "maps"? Or would a location be something like "Laharl's Castle". I'll try to follow the same logic and correct any new pages I've created so far, if neccessary.

Thanks for the reply.

Candy1984 (talk) 14:33, February 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Maps and Area Maps seems redundant, but Area Maps seems to be the image category so, hmm. We might make a note in that category specfifying that. As for locations, yeah they are the areas that bundle several maps together, places visited in the story that aren't represented in gameplay, etc. So both "Stellar Graveyard" and "Laharl's Castle" are locations.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:45, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

Navigation bar & community portal
Hi,

I've been trying to update the Disgaea wiki navigation bar, but i can't find where of how to do it. So I'm thinking it's a admin only kind of thing. If so, would you be able to make a few changes? I'll list a few suggestions below.


 * Browse by category > Characters: here "D5 Characters" is still missing.


 * Browse by category > Classes: here "D5 Classes" is still missing.


 * Browse by category > Classes > Disgaea Classes: this one links to a category page with only 1 page. All the D1 Class pages are in the 'Disgaea: Hour of Darkness Classes' category. Could you correct the link?


 * Browse by category > Weapons: here "D2 weapons" is missing. Even though D2 is a spin-off, D2 is mentioned in the characters & classes drop-down list. So it might make sense to do the same for weapons.


 * Browse by category > Spells: this category only shows D1 spells, D2 spells and D4 spells. However, D3, DD2 and D5 spells are also already existing pages. Can these be added as well?


 * Would it be possible to add accessories (or equipment) to the nav bar (for example in between 'spells' & 'gameplay'? Or can we have it as an option in the 'gameplay' drop-down list for easier and quicker navigation?

Another suggestion... I think it might be a good idea to update the community portal page. Now, it still has the '2015 spring cleaning' header. And I believe the T2C project is finished, no? All the other stuff is still very relevant, so I would not change too much. But I think it would be a good idea to remove at least the '2015' date (or change it to something more recent).

Candy1984 (talk) 20:57, February 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, this is all Oasis stuff and I haven't handled it in a long while, but I'll do my best. I think all of this are doable though!
 * As for the comunity portal, fair enough! I just need to omit a few things, add a few things, and we should be good!
 * I...apologize for not being super active or up to date with things anymore, please bear with me.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:44, February 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi,
 * There is a dutch saying that I use a lot: "the bow can't always be strung". Nevertheless, I think you're doing an awesome job, so no need to apologize.
 * The nav bar update looks good. But, there is one link not working correctly: "Disgaea: Hour of Darkness Classe s " -> the final 's' in classes is missing. And thanks for  taking all suggestions to heart. The community page update is also very nice.
 * Candy1984 (talk) 19:42, February 22, 2017 (UTC)



Vacation?
Hi,

I hope you're enjoying some vaction or something :) because it seems unusual for you to stay away this long from the wiki. Anyway, when you get back, check out the Dark Assembly (forum). I don't know if you can help with the posts I created, but any feedback is greatly appreciated.

Okay...this is probably because I'm a woman and certain details tend to poke me in the eye whereas on the other hand, I could easily miss the dancing gorilla in the street... but... I noticed you don't have Disgaea Wiki amongst your favourite wikis (anymore?). So I REALLY hope you're just taking a small break and will be back soon.

Anyway :D Gonna get back to work on the D1 area maps (only 3 more to go).

Candy1984 (talk) 19:16, March 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, no, that thing is an Oasis thing that is set automatically; I have no control of it! I've been around just...haven't had the motivation or energy to edit; I hope that's alright.
 * I'll take a look at the forum and see what I can do! Thank you for the concern!--Otherarrow (talk) 21:50, March 15, 2017 (UTC)

Screenshots
Just wondering if you had Disgaea PC? If so, I was also wondering if you'd be willing to take some screenshots? I only have a copy of Disgaea DS and that one isn't really usable to do this. I've also been looking on the net for some decent pictures to use as area maps, but so far I haven't really found anything. So this led me to the idea to find someone willing to take some screenshots for me.

I've downloaded Gimp and I'm gonna try my hand at reworking some images so we can use them as area maps. I would like to start with Demonhall Mirror. But if this one works out well, I'm looking to expand to maybe other Disgaea games as well. But first things first. Would you be willing to partner up for this?

Candy1984 (talk) 07:25, May 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * I do have Disgaea PC, yes! I, ah am not very far in it yet and only have access to Steam's in-built screenshot taking though. (I am a looong ways from the Demonhall Mirror, for one). Likewise, as noted on the FE Wiki but not here, I am currently on a hiatus from wiki activity for stress related reasons, so I may be a bit slow to work even if I do partner up. I hope this isn't a problem!--Otherarrow (talk) 14:35, May 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Not a problem at all. I still have a few things on my to-do list to keep me busy, so take your time. You can leave a message on my talk page when you're ready. Take care! Candy1984 (talk) 15:10, May 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * I just finished Etna Mode, which apparently has 3 unique maps that are exclusive (Ice Beast Gate, Frost Castle, Millennium Ice). These are missing area maps as well. Just thought I'd mention it. These might be easier reachable then DemonHall Mirror. But again, take your time. I'm keeping busy :) Take Care. Candy1984 (talk) 21:00, May 21, 2017 (UTC)

Disgaea Wiki
Hello You should go to wikia and get this Wikia a spotlight to attract more contributor Cdswalkthrough (talk) 17:55, December 27, 2017 (UTC)cdswalkthroughCdswalkthrough (talk) 17:55, December 27, 2017 (UTC)

Disgaea 1 Complete
Hello! Will this wiki be supporting Disgaea 1 Complete? I couldn't find a game page for it. I don't currently have any assets for it, but if I do get any prior to release, it would be good to know if I should bring them here. If there is a page already, could you link it to me please? Thanks! Pinkachu ( talk ) 21:23, August 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see why we wouldn't? This is the first I've heard of the game, so if we do have a page up, one of the other users made it? But yes, if you want to help us cover the game, go ahead! Any help is appreciated!--Otherarrow (talk) 00:21, August 23, 2018 (UTC)

EXP to Level 9999?
Hello. I just thought of something that can be useful to follow. On the class information chart when looking at a class like the Majin from Disgaea 1, Magic Knight from Disgaea 2, etc.

EXP to Level 9999

The max EXP varies depending on a character. Like, the Majin class takes significantly longer to level up due to it's higher EXP threshold. Tell me what you think!

Mechanomancer (talk) 23:02, January 5, 2019 (UTC)GameCrazy1996

New Wiki Manager
I'm Tephra, the new Fandom Wiki Manager for the Disgaea Wiki. I am here to help the community and be your liaison to Fandom. If you need anything, feel free to contact me and I will get back to you as soon as possible. <font color="#900000">◄► Tephra ◄► 19:40, May 11, 2019 (UTC)

Are you still here?
I have recently edited articles on here. If you're still here please reply to this message. If you're not planning on editing the wiki for a while after replying to this message, I suggest you add somebody else as an administrator to allow moderation of the wiki. Matthew Cenance (talk) 21:37, September 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't really edit here anymore no, but I am the wrong person to ask about this as I am not a bureaucrat and thus cannot promote new users to admin. You'd need to contact User:Yuanchosaan or Wikia staff, as they are the only ones who can promote users.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:22, September 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * That's unfortunate. Since you've edited on the wiki now, the wiki is no longer eligible for adoption until 60 days has passed. I suggest that we contact User:Yuanchosaan or website staff to see if they are willing to allow other more active members to become administrators. Matthew Cenance (talk) 00:13, September 28, 2019 (UTC)